How much longer until mass shootings make us hermits?

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The United States doesn't have open borders (it's a famously difficult country to migrate to) so we can throw that out for a start.

What, specifically, do you mean when you blame "social liberalism" and "leftist media and academi[a]" for resentment and alienation leading to mass shootings? Aren't most shooters motivated by right-wing ideals?

For what it's worth I'm very much in the "mass shootings are a red herring" camp, but I'm interested in why you think increased social tolerance has led to resentment, alienation, and mass murder. Do you also credit social liberalism for the declining murder rate, or only for things you don't like?

What Counts as a Mass Shooting? Why So Much of America's Gun Violence Gets Overlooked

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I do remember the phrase "going postal". At first, it was applied just to a disgruntled ex or current post office employee who shot up his workplace. Then the definition was expanded to include any type of workplace.

Hmmm… PePe = hermit ??.= $hooters ! , wrath on society .. hmmm.. scarey stuff.. gang stalking .. uhm..? Yikes …

I often do, especially on drugs topics.

Speaking of the devil, he's mentioned that NYT oddity in his column today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... ay-it.html

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This censoring of the past is no longer fiction. For instance, a document which says 'We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction' has been altered in the records of America's National Institutes of Health. These crucial words have been removed. Nobody can explain how, why, or who did it. But I have a copy of the undoctored original which miraculously survived.

Now there is controversy about a report of the recent massacre in Uvalde, Texas, in that great newspaper The New York Times, famous for its rectitude. In an early account, the newspaper quoted one of the shooter's co-workers at the Wendy's hamburger restaurant in Uvalde as saying she 'recalled he would often talk about how much he despised his mother and grandmother, whom he told her did not let him smoke weed or do what he wanted'.

I am one of a growing number of people who believe – thanks to evidence of drug use among violent killers – that there may be a connection between marijuana use, mental illness and rampage killings.

This report was of great importance to us. So when it vanished from the New York Times website the next day, I tried repeatedly to get an explanation. The newspaper, normally very careful to explain any such changes, has not done so this time. Was the story perhaps wrong? No. The Mail on Sunday sent a reporter, Barbara McMahon, to Uvalde. She tracked down the woman at Wendy's, Jocelynn Rodriguez.

Ms Rodriguez confirmed that she had said the vanished words to a New York Times reporter. She also said the killer had asked colleagues, in her hearing, where he could buy marijuana. I am still trying to get The New York Times to explain why it felt that, of all the news it had in its possession that day, the shooter's liking for marijuana was the bit they did not think was fit to print.

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As a Aspie , whom has a prescription for marijuana type medications, It is applied correctly for self medication and is remarkably effective in treating PTSD type issues . Not something to use casually .but can be effective if used in a medicinal application. Add in the bullying stress related to the Texas killings , and it might have been attempted effort to self medicate as a deterrent to this type of behaviour , by the Alumni / killer, of those people at that school
. Just thinking outside the box ?

More like inside the box, Jakki - this is cookie cutter fashionable opinion. The true medicinal value of cannabis is very difficult to determine, properly blinded trials are not really possible. Getting high and feeling better is not true medicinal value or straight up heroin would be just fine too. Again this self-medication thing - please exercise more critical thinking - maybe there is something to it, but if tobacco interests tomorrow declared that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer - and that smokers smoke to treat pre-existing lung conditions I'd hope you'd take that announcement with a handful of salt.

Like my weed, been toking since I was around fourteen.No plans to go on a rampage.
Yet to see someone get violent on just weed.Seen plenty of meth heads get weird, the majority of homicides here are meth related, it’s easy to find and cheap.
From this county ,since I’ve lived here.
Man leaves pipe bomb at the grocery store parking lot, says possums told him to do it.
Man thinks his brother is cheating with his girlfriend, shoots him in the face when he opens door killing him.
Couple think someone snitched them out, victim stabbed multiple times,as in over fifty.
Man pushes crippled wife in wheelchair in pond, drowns her.
Man kills girlfriend at creek, sets her on fire.
Young woman opens front door, man with an issue with her boyfriend shoots her in the face killing her.
Man gets paranoid about his friend, kills him and buries in vegetable garden.
There is more.Meth was always found.Weed usually not.
No homicides so far this year, but when we have one, it will be meth related.
The former old Sheriff told me back in the day homicides usually involved hard liquor and a woman ,but now it’s the meth.

Do you really think this is a solid counter-argument?

"I own a gun, no plans to shoot up a school. Never seen my gun owning friends shoot up the local elementary..."

*waves*
*high fives Tucker Carlson*
*leaves argument*
*anti-gun campaigners BTFO*

Life experience from an old woman.Take it or leave it.I knew several of the victims that were murdered by tweakers. The girl shot in the face was Bea, she was a friend.
This county also is known for weed.So most people here smoke.
Everyone has guns, even the hippies.
Think it of a social study of 7,000 people for well over thirty years.
Weed smokers don’t murder,Meth users do.

I don't doubt that meth is a terrible drug and in my initial foray into this thread I called out all mind altering drugs as worthy of investigation - but - the idea that weed is harmless and makes people peaceful and non-violent is an increasingly silly position to hold. You don't have to look hard to find absurdly, nay, insanely violent crimes that happen right after someone smokes up, often in people with no history of violence and sometimes with little history of cannabis usage. Clearly it does not turn all users into fridge-raiding couch potatoes.

Have to echo this thread …. And am aware “pot “ has its counter indicated situations . But as with all meds , one balances the adverse reactions with the good ones . Every med listed in the PDR , ( pharmaceutical desk reference)
Always has a adverse reactions section in the drug description.

Micah
Do wish you might cite some study to support your written words .
Having much personal experience with a thing , substance , what ever can count as valid opinion , at least for those
People. If you do not have personal experience, one might be suspect of what you might write here.
First hand experience and experience in the medical profession with many drug prescriptions still counts as experience. Not advising people to use cannabis only recreationally . But it does have its applications.
IMHO.

I can dig things like that up if you like - but I doubt it would satisfy you. What few studies there are at the moment can only show correlations between cannabis, psychosis, schizophrenia, violence etc. There is no definitive proof of causation or even really a potential route to understand causation at present because we know so little about how the brain functions. Of course, selfish pot users and amoral pot sellers immediately jump on that. "Correlation is not causation" they cry, "they could be self-medicating" - something you automatically did a few posts ago.

More sensible people understand that correlation can not always be automatically discarded - while correlation is not causation, it is the first step in finding causation.

The local news has a case where a woman ran over another in a case of road rage.She blames cough syrup.Supposedly her liver doesn’t process it normally.Not sure if I buy into it, but if she was using other drugs, prescription, over the counter or illegal , it could be a factor.
https://www.newsweek.com/woman-blames-c ... 4353?amp=1
I agree that prescribed medications for mental conditions can be over used or have terrible side effects. They are too quick to dole out anti- depressants to young people with developing brains.Medications should be a last resort and the patient should be closely monitored for side effects.
I take an antidepressant and it took several different changes to find the right dose and right drug.Some were awful.
I think a “ cocktail” of substances is the real danger, unknown drug interactions coupled with psychological problems.

Very good scientific method . And whereas many things maybe linked to other things by happenstance one might consider narrowing applicable parameters..
Having 1st hand experience with a substance over a extended period of time , might be a better way of examining results . Superior to short term clinical trials . Both methods also might obviously benefit from ongoing observations by trained personnel, And I do agree, about more research might need to be done. But Cannibis has been around since the 20s in the USA , from my best recollection of what I had read about it.
As far as self medication goes that has been around since mankind discovered fermentation. Doctors are not always available to everyone in this country. Cost , location , etc.
You have deferred my question to cite studies . Btw.
Also incidentally we know incredible things about the brain . Dr. Brian Jennings in California had successfully mapped the entire brain . With the Spec scan equipment in his lab, in the middle 1990s...Dr. Amen in Arizona , is purported to have done extensive Research in brain Studies . And has had great accomplishments in treating patients using that research. And has publicly made available his results and Research.

Jakki, if personal, anecdotal evidence is satisfactory for you, I can oblige and state right now that from my personal experience with cannabis as a teenager, I can easily believe there is a link between heavy cannabis use and violent crime.

From my personal experience, I can also understand why some people get psychologically addicted to cannabis.

At low doses cannabis can make the most mundane things seem 'meaningful', which can obviously be psychologically attractive for people who don't have much else to do with their time (hence the stereotype of the stoner who sits around watching trash TV all day, laughing like a moron and marveling at how 'far out' it all is).

At high doses this can move over into full-blown paranoia. I myself once had the most scary, paranoid episode of my life as a teenager while 'high' on cannabis. Let's just say I felt for a short while like Jim Carrey in the Truman Show (and no, my avatar has nothing to do with that; my avatar is from a different film). I'm just thankful nothing came of that.

And I'm someone who had never experienced any mental health issues before, and has never experienced any since (unless you count the constant frustration of living with A.S., but I have been lucky in that regard compared to some).

I have also spoken with acquaintances who have told me they avoid cannabis because of how paranoid it makes them.

Slam ….. could agree with you if I were speaking from the mind I grew up with in my middle teens . Almost sounds very similiar to my early experiences and no not all drugs are good for all people .