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DW_a_mom
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24 Jun 2022, 8:36 pm

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I don't like people who like to impose their values upon me.


That's why people protest though isn't it? they want to impose their values


They want to be HEARD in the hopes that a trajectory will change.

They don't expect to simply get their way.

They expect to be allowed into the conversation.

And sometimes they expect to remind politicians what the majority of people want, because the politicians have been ignoring the majority.


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24 Jun 2022, 9:36 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
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I don't like people who like to impose their values upon me.


That's why people protest though isn't it? they want to impose their values


They want to be HEARD in the hopes that a trajectory will change.
They expect to be allowed into the conversation.


People want their values to be adopted by others they consider important (university socialists or BLM protestors never hand out pamphlets to the homeless or destitute) and they want to influence higher social classes,



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24 Jun 2022, 10:22 pm

I believe everyone should be “in the conversation,” too.

I just don’t like people being strident with me, and assuming the worst if I don’t believe in one tenet of an overall political platform.

I like the Martin Luther King approach much better than the Malcolm X approach.



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24 Jun 2022, 11:58 pm

Oh I apologize if I was being strident, and did not mean to come off that way.



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14 Aug 2022, 10:51 am

I was talking in general…..



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14 Aug 2022, 11:22 am

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I happen to like Michael Moore's movies. Sometimes, he went a bit overboard----but I believe in most of what he says.


Bowling for Columbine was my favourite.


I'm sure it was. :roll:


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14 Aug 2022, 11:45 am

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So the quote turns out to be from the Heritage Foundation which is a well-known source of right wing propaganda. Anyway, calling Patricia Cullors the Founder of BLM is a propaganda tactic. She founded an organization she called BLM but she is self appointed, she didn't originate the grassroots movement by any means. It's not much of stretch to imagine the Right put her up to this as she's such a convenient bogeyman. I challenge you to go into any public space and ask 100 people if they recognize the name Patricia Cullors and find anyone who says yes. I have only seen her name in the context of Right Wing propaganda. Back in my day, everyone knew who Angela Davis was. She was without a doubt a Marxist but I would have no idea who trained her.
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Bottom line anything out of the Heritage Foundation is crap and should be properly labeled.

Of course, it would be a conservative/right agenda organization that would pick up stuff the mainstream media does not see as does Michael Moore because he has an agenda that lets him see things the mainstream media does not. The Heritage Foundation is not a Rupert Murdoch tabloid they are a think tank. Did the Heritage Foundation make it all up? I have not seen any of those people mentioned say they were misquoted or taken out of context.



How well known a person is a matter of media coverage. I can speculate as to why Davis had more publicity than Cullors if you want but the bottom line is unlike Davis, Cullors is a founder and leader.

I didn't notice this comment as I believe I had stopped following the topic, but I stand by what I said before. This person is a convenient bogeyman for right wing propaganda and yes the Heritage Foundation is a propaganda organization anybody can call themselves a "think tank" doesn't make them respectable.


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14 Aug 2022, 12:49 pm

MaxE wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
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So the quote turns out to be from the Heritage Foundation which is a well-known source of right wing propaganda. Anyway, calling Patricia Cullors the Founder of BLM is a propaganda tactic. She founded an organization she called BLM but she is self appointed, she didn't originate the grassroots movement by any means. It's not much of stretch to imagine the Right put her up to this as she's such a convenient bogeyman. I challenge you to go into any public space and ask 100 people if they recognize the name Patricia Cullors and find anyone who says yes. I have only seen her name in the context of Right Wing propaganda. Back in my day, everyone knew who Angela Davis was. She was without a doubt a Marxist but I would have no idea who trained her.
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Bottom line anything out of the Heritage Foundation is crap and should be properly labeled.

Of course, it would be a conservative/right agenda organization that would pick up stuff the mainstream media does not see as does Michael Moore because he has an agenda that lets him see things the mainstream media does not. The Heritage Foundation is not a Rupert Murdoch tabloid they are a think tank. Did the Heritage Foundation make it all up? I have not seen any of those people mentioned say they were misquoted or taken out of context.



How well known a person is a matter of media coverage. I can speculate as to why Davis had more publicity than Cullors if you want but the bottom line is unlike Davis, Cullors is a founder and leader.

I didn't notice this comment as I believe I had stopped following the topic, but I stand by what I said before. This person is a convenient bogeyman for right wing propaganda and yes the Heritage Foundation is a propaganda organization anybody can call themselves a "think tank" doesn't make them respectable.


I myself had long ago stopped following this thread as there have not been much of BLM activity of any kind of late. If anything was going to happen summer would be prime time for it, we are now in mid august. Re reading the thread I have not changed my mind either. What did strike me was this thread was started to criticize conservatives who are using the BLM/George Floyd murder triggered riots to excuse 1/6. In order to do that I felt had to compare the two events and find the 2020 events a lesser event. Yet what the thread turned into was 1. The 2020 violence was way overhyped 2. Anybody saying otherwise are useful idiots for conservative propaganda. In doing this I feel it would be negligent to minimize the 2020 events by downplaying them.

I would be more inclined to minimize the influence of the founders if the tactics used do not resemble the training they said they received.

The only regret I have is using Michael Moore as an example of an agenda source finding things others don’t. BLM themselves would have been a better example.


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