FINA bans trans atheletes from women's swimming

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20 Jun 2022, 6:44 am

Women can become competitive in sports like swimming and running—but probably not in sports like American football and basketball.



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20 Jun 2022, 6:51 am

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Women can become competitive in sports like swimming and running—but probably not in sports like American football and basketball.


They are almost on par in very specific events - very long distance running and swimming in particular, but men still edge them out at the top of the league as far as I know and for shorter distances it's not even close.


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20 Jun 2022, 8:05 am

This is now. How about something like 20-30 years from now?



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20 Jun 2022, 8:45 am

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This is now. How about something like 20-30 years from now?


Why would it change? There are no selection pressures at work that could shrink the gap in elite athletics. While athletes have gotten better over the last century, due to better training, nutrition, medicine and knowledge of the human body etc., men and women have roughly improved at the same rate, keeping the gap approximately where it was a century ago.


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20 Jun 2022, 12:00 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I hope there comes a day (and I believe this is possible) when women who stay women become competitive with men. Then this issue will become moot.


It does happen occasionally.

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Beryl Burton, OBE (12 May 1937 – 5 May 1996) was an English racing cyclist who dominated women's cycle racing in the UK, winning more than 90 domestic championships and seven world titles, and setting numerous national records. She set a women's record for the 12-hour time-trial which exceeded the men's record for two years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_Burton



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20 Jun 2022, 3:47 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
This is now. How about something like 20-30 years from now?

I don't see men approaching women in artistic gymnastics, like, ever. Each gender has sports it dominates in.


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20 Jun 2022, 4:58 pm

This seems reasonable at least while trying to fully understand the impact of trans-inclusion.


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20 Jun 2022, 10:16 pm

The ban on transgender swimmers competing in major women’s events has been celebrated by trans celebrity Caitlyn Jenner.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/20/caitlyn-j ... g-ban/amp/



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21 Jun 2022, 12:30 am

Mikah wrote:
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A black day for women’s swimming, irrevocably harmed by the decision to arbitrarily exclude a group of women.

Hopefully Fina are forced to reverse this extremely stupid decision before we start seeing teenage girls (or adult women for that matter) subject to “gender tests”.


Without firing silly studies at each other, let's say for the sake of argument, that the FINA science team is right, that transwomen have an immutable advantage over "regular" women if they have gone through male puberty. Is this decision still arbitrary and incorrect?

Yes - some people will always have advantages over others.



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21 Jun 2022, 12:54 am

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Yes - some people will always have advantages over others.


Perhaps a better solution is to do away with all sports divisions. Just one division for everyone.


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21 Jun 2022, 1:24 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Mikah wrote:
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A black day for women’s swimming, irrevocably harmed by the decision to arbitrarily exclude a group of women.

Hopefully Fina are forced to reverse this extremely stupid decision before we start seeing teenage girls (or adult women for that matter) subject to “gender tests”.


Without firing silly studies at each other, let's say for the sake of argument, that the FINA science team is right, that transwomen have an immutable advantage over "regular" women if they have gone through male puberty. Is this decision still arbitrary and incorrect?

Yes - some people will always have advantages over others.


What about unfair advantages?



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21 Jun 2022, 1:46 am

Mikah wrote:
They are planning to make an "open" division, but this won't make the trans mafia happy and I doubt many will even want to participate.


That makes perfect sense to have an open division. In some sports they have an open weight division so why not. Women who are really really good can also compete in this division.



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21 Jun 2022, 2:11 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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A black day for women’s swimming, irrevocably harmed by the decision to arbitrarily exclude a group of women.

Hopefully Fina are forced to reverse this extremely stupid decision before we start seeing teenage girls (or adult women for that matter) subject to “gender tests”.


I read women swimmers and representatives of women's swimming, saying a trans swimmer outperforming all of them and easily shattering all of their hard earned records was a black day for women's swimming.


Agreed. I find the inclusion of trans athletes in women's sports a massive step backwards for all the women who have worked hard for years to get to the top of their game.....only to be obliterated by someone who went through male puberty who might have put in a fraction of the training.

If this decision is the result of who I think it is who is 6'1 and is easily an extra third the muscle then good.

Rugby is also next on the chopping block and I imagine MMA and boxing will be soon and not a moment too soon. I think one woman had her skill fractured in an MMA fight in Brazil not long ago by a trans athlete.



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21 Jun 2022, 2:19 pm

Mikah wrote:
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Yes - some people will always have advantages over others.


Perhaps a better solution is to do away with all sports divisions. Just one division for everyone.


Fallon Fox will love this idea. She can beat all the women she desires to a senseless bloody pulp as she seems so keen on women beating anyway.


(I'm really struggling to call her a she considering her appalling behaviour)



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21 Jun 2022, 3:42 pm

Mikah wrote:
Perhaps a better solution is to do away with all sports divisions. Just one division for everyone.

So you expect women to compete with men in sports like boxing and wrestling? That doesn't sound very reasonable.

Yes, I know that there can be only one truly best at something, in the Highlander sort of way, but this would result in no women competing for top awards in some sports and no men in the other. Picture selection for Olympic delegations where sports have no gender divisions.


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