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23 Jun 2022, 4:32 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-plans-every-single-reviewed-083048209.html

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China may soon review every single comment before it goes out on social media.

China's internet watchdog released draft rules on Friday, calling for platforms to monitor comments.

Social media users are concerned that the rules could further restrict what they can post online.


China may soon review every single comment before it goes out on social media, sparking fears of further censorship in a country that already has one of the world's most restrictive media environments.

On Friday, China's internet watchdog published a new set of draft rules on its website, instructing content platforms to review all online comments before they are published and to report any "illegal and bad information" found to the authorities.

The new rules are designed to "safeguard national security and public interests, and protect the legitimate rights and interests of citizens," the notice read, adding that the public can provide feedback on the regulations by July 1.

While the regulations have yet to be implemented, Chinese social media users have already expressed concerns that their online spaces for free speech will be further eroded. According to the South China Morning Post, draft regulations in China "are usually passed without major revisions."

Note: the actual situation is more subtle

This is actually something that has been actually implemented for at least five years. Most platforms use machine auditing, so there is no communication delay and it is quite easy to fool.
However, it remains to be seen whether this will lead to substantial changes.

The thing that really annoys us is: How dare they publish such hidden rules? They don't think this will cause anger?


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23 Jun 2022, 4:42 pm

I'd imagine publishing them makes it appear more transparent, although the anger is a pretty universal thing. Facebook and other social media users in the west often seem to get outraged over pretty minor stuff like having posts deleted for using racial slurs or distributing disinformation.


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23 Jun 2022, 9:15 pm

SkinnedWolf wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-plans-every-single-reviewed-083048209.html
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China may soon review every single comment before it goes out on social media.

China's internet watchdog released draft rules on Friday, calling for platforms to monitor comments.

Social media users are concerned that the rules could further restrict what they can post online.


China may soon review every single comment before it goes out on social media, sparking fears of further censorship in a country that already has one of the world's most restrictive media environments.

On Friday, China's internet watchdog published a new set of draft rules on its website, instructing content platforms to review all online comments before they are published and to report any "illegal and bad information" found to the authorities.

The new rules are designed to "safeguard national security and public interests, and protect the legitimate rights and interests of citizens," the notice read, adding that the public can provide feedback on the regulations by July 1.

While the regulations have yet to be implemented, Chinese social media users have already expressed concerns that their online spaces for free speech will be further eroded. According to the South China Morning Post, draft regulations in China "are usually passed without major revisions."

Note: the actual situation is more subtle

This is actually something that has been actually implemented for at least five years. Most platforms use machine auditing, so there is no communication delay and it is quite easy to fool.
However, it remains to be seen whether this will lead to substantial changes.

The thing that really annoys us is: How dare they publish such hidden rules? They don't think this will cause anger?


Will this apply to you posting here?



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23 Jun 2022, 9:17 pm

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Will this apply to you posting here?

Not at all.

China does not have a "universal" censorship system in operation. It only requires that platforms operating in China comply with Chinese laws.
Each platform operates its own review system.


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23 Jun 2022, 9:19 pm

SkinnedWolf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Will this apply to you posting here?

Not at all.

China does not have a "universal" censorship system in operation. It only requires that platforms operating in China comply with Chinese laws.
Each platform operates its own review system.


Ok so twitter, Tik Tok and facebook?



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23 Jun 2022, 9:22 pm

cyberdad wrote:
SkinnedWolf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Will this apply to you posting here?

Not at all.

China does not have a "universal" censorship system in operation. It only requires that platforms operating in China comply with Chinese laws.
Each platform operates its own review system.


Ok so twitter, Tik Tok and facebook?

Tiktok is a Chinese company. The part in China is of course censored by the Chinese version. And the overseas version is not - but why are the Chinese keen to use that?
I'm not very sure about Facebook. But twitter censors Chinese who do not hate China...
But there is something absolutely crazy about Twitter's Chinese language area. So yes, they are completely free from Chinese law.


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23 Jun 2022, 9:34 pm

SkinnedWolf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
SkinnedWolf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Will this apply to you posting here?

Not at all.

China does not have a "universal" censorship system in operation. It only requires that platforms operating in China comply with Chinese laws.
Each platform operates its own review system.


Ok so twitter, Tik Tok and facebook?

Tiktok is a Chinese company. The part in China is of course censored by the Chinese version. And the overseas version is not - but why are the Chinese keen to use that?
I'm not very sure about Facebook. But twitter censors Chinese who do not hate China...
But there is something absolutely crazy about Twitter's Chinese language area. So yes, they are completely free from Chinese law.


Ok so what is new then? does it mean the CCP have the capability to review any social media post but they will likely only audit/sample 1 in 1000 due to the cost of reading every single social media post or scanning for key words?



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23 Jun 2022, 9:39 pm

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SkinnedWolf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
SkinnedWolf wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Will this apply to you posting here?

Not at all.

China does not have a "universal" censorship system in operation. It only requires that platforms operating in China comply with Chinese laws.
Each platform operates its own review system.


Ok so twitter, Tik Tok and facebook?

Tiktok is a Chinese company. The part in China is of course censored by the Chinese version. And the overseas version is not - but why are the Chinese keen to use that?
I'm not very sure about Facebook. But twitter censors Chinese who do not hate China...
But there is something absolutely crazy about Twitter's Chinese language area. So yes, they are completely free from Chinese law.


Ok so what is new then? does it mean the CCP have the capability to review any social media post but they will likely only audit/sample 1 in 1000 due to the cost of reading every single social media post or scanning for key words?

”CCP“ doesn't care about specific social media content. They only manage publications.

They just ask the platform to review the content itself - different platforms decide how to implement it. It is the private Internet companies, not the government, that really recruit censors.
However, if the content deemed inappropriate on some platforms starts to have a significant impact, the platform will be legally liable. So the platform is very enthusiastic about doing this.

Foreign platforms will obviously not be punished by the Chinese government - so it has nothing to do with them.


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23 Jun 2022, 10:09 pm

SkinnedWolf wrote:

They just ask the platform to review the content itself - different platforms decide how to implement it. It is the private Internet companies, not the government, that really recruit censors.
However, if the content deemed inappropriate on some platforms starts to have a significant impact, the platform will be legally liable. So the platform is very enthusiastic about doing this.

Foreign platforms will obviously not be punished by the Chinese government - so it has nothing to do with them.


Ok so is this an extra layer of moderation of content?



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23 Jun 2022, 10:11 pm

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Ok so is this an extra layer of moderation of content?

No, They are trying to define more clearly what Chinese platforms should do - although they seem to have secretly asked Chinese platforms to do so a long time ago.


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23 Jun 2022, 10:15 pm

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Ok so is this an extra layer of moderation of content?

No, They are trying to define more clearly what Chinese platforms should do - although they seem to have secretly asked Chinese platforms to do so a long time ago.


Give me an example?



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23 Jun 2022, 10:25 pm

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Give me an example?

It's hard to say. Because my most commonly used platform is machine review, which means there is no delay.
Moreover, because I pay attention to my words, I have never been disturbed by the machine review - only when I am not cautious, I will be deleted the published content and accept the account credit penalty because of manual review. Sometimes this even happens two years after I publish a certain content.
I am not sure what triggers the latter. Being reported is certainly one thing, but it may not be all.

A friend of mine often uses a platform that is too diligent/lazy in review, so that comments often need to be published an hour before they are really displayed. So when they argue on that platform, they will choose to use another link to switch to another platform to argue. This is funny, and this kind of platform is not common.

There are also a few platforms that take a rather sly form. In your own opinion, your comments have been published. But it was not seen by others until the audit was completed. If the manual audit thinks it is inappropriate, it will never be seen by others.

This is not always driven by some kind of "CCP conspiracy". Some platforms censor remarks that insult their company's boss or philosophy.

Although political topics will certainly be monitored by more censors, for the vast majority of people, censorship has nothing to do with politics. The most frequent restrictions are porn and dirty words - porn is the reason why the platform my friend uses is more and more restricted.


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23 Jun 2022, 10:35 pm

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Give me an example?

It's hard to say. Because my most commonly used platform is machine review, which means there is no delay.
Moreover, because I pay attention to my words, I have never been disturbed by the machine review - only when I am not cautious, I will be deleted the published content and accept the account credit penalty because of manual review. Sometimes this even happens two years after I publish a certain content.
I am not sure what triggers the latter. Being reported is certainly one thing, but it may not be all.

A friend of mine often uses a platform that is too diligent/lazy in review, so that comments often need to be published an hour before they are really displayed. So when they argue on that platform, they will choose to use another link to switch to another platform to argue. This is funny, and this kind of platform is not common.

There are also a few platforms that take a rather sly form. In your own opinion, your comments have been published. But it was not seen by others until the audit was completed. If the manual audit thinks it is inappropriate, it will never be seen by others.

This is not always driven by some kind of "CCP conspiracy". Some platforms censor remarks that insult their company's boss or philosophy.


So what are the end outcomes? will there be a higher chance a post will lead to censorship and/or losing one's account?



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23 Jun 2022, 10:40 pm

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So what are the end outcomes? will there be a higher chance a post will lead to censorship and/or losing one's account?

I think it's very likely that this new clause will not change anything - it just gives legal support to what has happened.

But with a small probability, more platforms will become like the one my friends use. Although this seems to mean that certain types of platforms will kill their own profits.


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24 Jun 2022, 7:37 am

This seems very representative of the book NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR by George Orwell.

Nineteen Eighty-Four


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24 Jun 2022, 7:45 am

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This seems very representative of the book NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR by George Orwell.

Nineteen Eighty-Four

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Worldwide. yes.

Moreover, the experience of people in Chinese Mainland is that freedom of speech in Singapore is less than that in China.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/13/singapore-tightening-screws-speech
But the two have attracted disproportionate attention.


I noticed that when describing China, Westerners are more likely to add more imagination.

Even though other East/Southeast Asia even Indians actually have more criticisms against China, those criticisms are closer to the actual situation rather than ideological condemnation or myths - this is obvious in a truly international exchange platform rather than an "international" platform almost limited to the West world.
I mean, after all, East Asians have never been keen to condemn ban abortions in Poland or some parts of the United States or anywhere else. Or use our imagination on these things.


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