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28 Jun 2022, 12:38 am

In the GOP-leaning swing states (Texas, Florida, et al), all it would take would be to get rid of voter suppression laws, and get women, LGBT, and people of color to vote like their lives depend on it (and they do).

But how can the deepest, reddest states be flipped? How can states like Arkansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho or the Dakotas become blue states? Those states are all predominantly white (90%+ in the case of North Dakota) and GOP politicians win easily, almost always with 70%+ of the vote, and oftentimes unopposed. The last Democratic governor of South Dakota left office in 1979, and Kansas hasn't elected a Democrat to the Senate since the 1930s.

How can we get towns like Harrison and Piggott, both in Arkansas and both infamously racist, to unanimously support BLM?


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28 Jun 2022, 12:49 am

I oppose partisan politics and the people who support it. :shameonyou:


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28 Jun 2022, 12:56 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
In the GOP-leaning swing states (Texas, Florida, et al), all it would take would be to get rid of voter suppression laws, and get women, LGBT, and people of color to vote like their lives depend on it (and they do).

But how can the deepest, reddest states be flipped? How can states like Arkansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho or the Dakotas become blue states? Those states are all predominantly white (90%+ in the case of North Dakota) and GOP politicians win easily, almost always with 70%+ of the vote, and oftentimes unopposed. The last Democratic governor of South Dakota left office in 1979, and Kansas hasn't elected a Democrat to the Senate since the 1930s.

How can we get towns like Harrison and Piggott, both in Arkansas and both infamously racist, to unanimously support BLM?

I guess Oklahoma could go blue if Oklahoma and Tulsa became a lot more big and hip cities and get a lot more young liberals that could outnumber the rural and surburban Republicans.Maybe Northwest Arkansas and Little Rock will get big enough to make the state be blue.Arkansas had at least one democrat governor since Clinton I think.Many Californians are moving to Idaho and many people think it may go blue who live there.



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28 Jun 2022, 1:33 am

It depends on what part of CA people are coming from. Are they coming from LA or SF (the city all others should emulate), or are they coming from cities like Bakersfield or Fresno?

I know someone who moved to Piggott, AR (which I mentioned earlier) simply because there were no black people there. She regularly goes on Breitbart and InfoWars, and has a strong "white persecution" complex. She cut contact because I didn't watch an Alex Jones video *and* agree with it--it was the day after the Capitol riot. On the global scale, she supports people like Nigel Farage, Geert Wilders and the Le Pens.

This is another reason I hate the right. They brainwashed my friend.


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28 Jun 2022, 1:55 am

another re*coughcough*porter who's live depends on "it"
objection your honor "hearsay"


who's privileged, male access to enforcing "that thing"?

so you're saying :jester: , basically the red guards should be send into the county sides



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28 Jun 2022, 2:38 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
LA or SF (the city all others should emulate)

In LA you literally have to pay attention to time of day and plan ahead, otherwise you're not getting across town during a significant portion of the day. Thanks to the earthquakes the highwaysfreeways were some of the roughest I've ever driven on, but can't really blame them for that... Good luck blaming that one on climate change. Real estate is unattainable (and for what?) and (all) taxes are stupidly high, great qualities to emulate for sure. In terms of curb appeal, LA is extremely bland and boring.

I had the misfortune of visiting SF during Thanksgiving and it was a zombie apocalypse, but with homeless, who descended down on the city from the surrounding area of the state. There were soup kitchens running in every alley, and that sounds like a noble undertaking right up until you realize that all the organizers collectively forgot to order porta-potties for the influx of homeless that have nowhere to stay, and will inevitably relieve themselves after a hearty meal. The streets literally flowed with urine and sh*t. Though admittedly that seems to be a problem year-round. Sure, the hills are great exercise but get old fast. My city-shock was when I discovered that in stores even the cheapest shampoo is locked up on shelves, speaking much for the situation with crime. For reference, where I live nothing is under lock and key in stores except jewelry, firearms, and controlled pharmaceuticals. +Same thing I said about LA cost of living.
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-San-Francisco-smell-like-piss
https://www.treehugger.com/in-pee-saturated-san-francisco-walls-retaliate-against-public-urinators-4865765
https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/2/12776674/san-francisco-bart-urine-bacteria-eating-enzyme

Fortunately for me, I escaped to Yosemite National Park, exactly what every city should emulate. :wink: Probably my favorite place on Earth year-round.

Seriously, though, if you gonna talk cities, Seattle is much nicer than those two.


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28 Jun 2022, 3:13 am

traven wrote:
another re*coughcough*porter who's live depends on "it"
objection your honor "hearsay"


who's privileged, male access to enforcing "that thing"?

so you're saying :jester: , basically the red guards should be send into the county sides

It does not have to be to the country side....OKC and Tulsa would work too.You would just need way more reliable democrat voters voting at higher numbers than the Republicans.I dont think small town Oklahoma ever be liberal.However if you got more democrats in the big cities you could pass liberal laws in Oklahoma but I dont see it happening anytime soon because every county in Oklahoma voted for Trump.I think young liberals that have been priced out of cities like Phoenix,San Antonio and Austin and Denver could start moving to Oklahoma and Arkansas at much higher levels.But Searcy,Arkansas will never be a liberal area.



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28 Jun 2022, 3:27 am

It’s unrealistic to imagine every state in the US becoming solid Democrat. The Republicans would change long before that could happen.

Focus on changing attitudes or laws.

That being said, what makes states become more left-wing in the US?

- Urbanisation
- Immigration
- Internal migration
- Demographic transition (in short, rich white people tend to have fewer kids than poor people, who in many of these states tend to be minorities and tend to vote Democratic)
- The passage of time gradually changing attitudes (much better to be black or gay today than it was 50 years ago)



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28 Jun 2022, 9:29 am

The_Walrus wrote:
It’s unrealistic to imagine every state in the US becoming solid Democrat. The Republicans would change long before that could happen.

Focus on changing attitudes or laws.

That being said, what makes states become more left-wing in the US?

- Urbanisation
- Immigration
- Internal migration
- Demographic transition (in short, rich white people tend to have fewer kids than poor people, who in many of these states tend to be minorities and tend to vote Democratic)
- The passage of time gradually changing attitudes (much better to be black or gay today than it was 50 years ago)


The only change Republicans are making is moving further to the right. Some are praising Hitler and suggesting bringing back segregation. And when those views are challenged, they play the victim. Being banned from social media, to them, is a sign they're being "oppressed" or "persecuted". What was once the party of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower (the original Antifa) is now the party of Donald Trump, Marjorie Taylor-Greene and Paul Gosar. A great many of them think the Democrats are going to "legalize pedophilia".


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28 Jun 2022, 1:05 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
It’s unrealistic to imagine every state in the US becoming solid Democrat. The Republicans would change long before that could happen.

Focus on changing attitudes or laws.

That being said, what makes states become more left-wing in the US?

- Urbanisation
- Immigration
- Internal migration
- Demographic transition (in short, rich white people tend to have fewer kids than poor people, who in many of these states tend to be minorities and tend to vote Democratic)
- The passage of time gradually changing attitudes (much better to be black or gay today than it was 50 years ago)


The only change Republicans are making is moving further to the right.


That's true. I think we need to encourage rationalism and critical thinking in our schools. When someone feels like their stance is being outright attacked, they tend to become even more radicalized.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on the extreme right are choosing to homeschool their kids.


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28 Jun 2022, 1:10 pm

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Unfortunately, a lot of people on the extreme right are choosing to homeschool their kids.
I just realized that while I was in college, I had never met another student who had been home-schooled.



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28 Jun 2022, 1:13 pm

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Unfortunately, a lot of people on the extreme right are choosing to homeschool their kids.
I just realized that while I was in college, I had never met another student who had been home-schooled.


I know many who are (and were) and most of them are very conservative. I, of course, was homeschooled.

I currently know some who homeschool because they aren't happy with the local school district, which is understandable; still, most are very conservative.


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28 Jun 2022, 2:05 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
It’s unrealistic to imagine every state in the US becoming solid Democrat. The Republicans would change long before that could happen.

Focus on changing attitudes or laws.

That being said, what makes states become more left-wing in the US?

- Urbanisation
- Immigration
- Internal migration
- Demographic transition (in short, rich white people tend to have fewer kids than poor people, who in many of these states tend to be minorities and tend to vote Democratic)
- The passage of time gradually changing attitudes (much better to be black or gay today than it was 50 years ago)


The only change Republicans are making is moving further to the right. Some are praising Hitler and suggesting bringing back segregation. And when those views are challenged, they play the victim. Being banned from social media, to them, is a sign they're being "oppressed" or "persecuted". What was once the party of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower (the original Antifa) is now the party of Donald Trump, Marjorie Taylor-Greene and Paul Gosar. A great many of them think the Democrats are going to "legalize pedophilia".

I think it’s slightly more nuanced than that, but agree - broadly speaking the Republicans are shifting hard to the right. But there are issues, isolated issues, where Trump was better than Romney.

I think the priority of people who disagree with the Republicans should be changing the mind of individual Republicans through techniques like deep canvassing.



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29 Jun 2022, 2:03 am

How do we convince them that white people and Christians are not being persecuted or "replaced", that science and LGBT people are not evil, that masks and vaccines are not "socialist", etc?


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29 Jun 2022, 2:33 am

Through methods like this:

https://youtu.be/xN6O5LTaGyg



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29 Jun 2022, 10:56 am

That was an interesting video. It gave me some ideas, but it would be challenging to do on a macro scale.
That's where AI might do some good, but you'd have to think about how that could go awry.

I don't think this is a Democrat or Republican solution. I think we need additional political parties on the main stage like in other countries. Not just one choice of two major parties who both benefit from in-fighting. Politicians have one agenda: get re-elected.
That's literally their job. That's how they pay their bills. They use the "us against them" tactic to keep their positions.
Our political system would greatly benefit from setting term limits and scrapping the electoral college. Potentially even setting age limits like they do in the military. Why are 80-year-old men still making laws? These laws won't even affect them after they die in the next decade. We need younger people to contribute and make the laws that will impact people with longer expiration dates.

We also need more open-minded people in "red" states, but honestly, those places suck to live in. There's a reason why successful companies aren't rooted in those areas and why educated people leave those places. They lack resources. They're more prone to wild weather events and greater financial risk. Poverty = crime... there are so many factors. It would be really hard to convince people with strong financial resources to leave the bustling West Coast and move to Birmingham, AL.




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Through methods like this:
https://youtu.be/xN6O5LTaGyg