U.S. Military struggling to find new troops.

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03 Jul 2022, 6:45 pm

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They’ll be able to find troops…..trust me.
Have you suddenly received the Gift of Prophesy?

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03 Jul 2022, 7:05 pm

Many people want to go into the armed forces.



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03 Jul 2022, 9:35 pm

Anyone ever guess why we are using Security contractors now .. besides saving he USA money.. and yes
The Contractors , hire mercenaries (second hand soldiers .) And are not subject to the limitations normal troops are . The mega corporate structures that support and are these Contractors. Have access to best equipment . And same satellite feeds our military do. Or better .. They can afford to buy and launch satellites . They can operate in places where our forces cannot. During black live matter protests ,in Portland. There were many first hand observations of
People leading groups , getting carried away in unmarked vans by swat looking groups with no identifying uniforms.
These reports caused me to think ? And wonder about these things . WHen these mercenary companies get into trouble they merely change their name transfer their assets and reopen under another name. If necessary original corporation in trouble files bankruptcy . After moving their assets.


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03 Jul 2022, 10:35 pm

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Many people want to go into the armed forces.


Many doesn't appear to be enough otherwise they wouldn't be struggling so badly.


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03 Jul 2022, 10:37 pm

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Every field, military, government, education, service industry etc is having trouble finding new people. And hanging onto the people they have. I believe this is a result if so many people getting used to not working during Covid. And the likes of AOC saying "who wants to go back to work? (eww)".

In other words I'm blaming this on the Democrats who want a socialist universal income (welfare) system, and essentially encouraged people not to work, but of course now they and the rest of us are stuck with an out of control problem.


Indeed. People discussed a potential idea that could be implemented and that's the sole reason why many places that don't offer adequate compensation relative to what's asked of employees are struggling to find adequate staff. The jobs that pay adequately and offer decent work/life balance aren't encountering this issue, not that that's relevant to our two-minute hate against socialism. :evil: :evil: :evil:

The ones that are struggling have only themselves to blame and won't see improvement until they take responsibility for their situation.


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03 Jul 2022, 10:54 pm

When they lower the academic standards, and allow people with certain diagnoses to enter the military, the problem will be solved.

Many people might not do well academically — but can be good soldiers.

People see the military as being an entree out of poverty.



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03 Jul 2022, 10:55 pm

Do they accept LGBTQ+ and people with mental illness, ADHD or ASD?

Do they still have height requirements and say that you can't have flat feet?



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03 Jul 2022, 11:02 pm

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When they lower the academic standards, and allow people with certain diagnoses to enter the military, the problem will be solved.

Many people might not do well academically — but can be good soldiers.

People see the military as being an entree out of poverty.


It really depends on the reason for their academic struggles. Are you familiar with McNamara's Folly?

There are people who are either intellectually and/or mentally unfit for military service and standards excluding them often exist for a reason. In some cases it's based on previous experience and often that experience resulted in both needless deaths and people being needlessly traumatized because they never should have been put in those situations in the first place.

Much like many other forms of workplace health and safety standards they're written in people's blood and choosing to ignore the lessons learned from the last time lessons were ignored just means getting to write them back into law again a few years later in someone else's blood.


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03 Jul 2022, 11:16 pm

I understand your point.

But there are still many people who don’t do well academically who do well in trades and the military.



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04 Jul 2022, 3:01 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Every field, military, government, education, service industry etc is having trouble finding new people. And hanging onto the people they have. I believe this is a result if so many people getting used to not working during Covid. And the likes of AOC saying "who wants to go back to work? (eww)".

In other words I'm blaming this on the Democrats who want a socialist universal income (welfare) system, and essentially encouraged people not to work, but of course now they and the rest of us are stuck with an out of control problem.


Indeed. People discussed a potential idea that could be implemented and that's the sole reason why many places that don't offer adequate compensation relative to what's asked of employees are struggling to find adequate staff. The jobs that pay adequately and offer decent work/life balance aren't encountering this issue, not that that's relevant to our two-minute hate against socialism. :evil: :evil: :evil:

The ones that are struggling have only themselves to blame and won't see improvement until they take responsibility for their situation.


If a burger flipper wants to get paid as much as a medical assistant, then a burger is going to cost the same as a medical procedure and they're going to be in the same boat.

I've worked some of the lowest paying jobs there are my whole life and I've always gotten by. I've always had an apartment, a car, TV, computer, phone, clothes, food etc. I just haven't lived in luxury by luxury standards.



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04 Jul 2022, 12:33 pm

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If a burger flipper wants to get paid as much as a medical assistant, then a burger is going to cost the same as a medical procedure and they're going to be in the same boat.

I've worked some of the lowest paying jobs there are my whole life and I've always gotten by. I've always had an apartment, a car, TV, computer, phone, clothes, food etc. I just haven't lived in luxury by luxury standards.
Food, clothing, shelter, and medical care are all anyone really needs. Public transportation is available in most big cities. Providing these as basic needs (and I mean really basic) might not be too difficult for even a Republican-led government to provide. Anything beyond that should be up to the individual.

Military service has provided a way out of poverty for many people.



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04 Jul 2022, 5:43 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Every field, military, government, education, service industry etc is having trouble finding new people. And hanging onto the people they have. I believe this is a result if so many people getting used to not working during Covid. And the likes of AOC saying "who wants to go back to work? (eww)".

In other words I'm blaming this on the Democrats who want a socialist universal income (welfare) system, and essentially encouraged people not to work, but of course now they and the rest of us are stuck with an out of control problem.


Indeed. People discussed a potential idea that could be implemented and that's the sole reason why many places that don't offer adequate compensation relative to what's asked of employees are struggling to find adequate staff. The jobs that pay adequately and offer decent work/life balance aren't encountering this issue, not that that's relevant to our two-minute hate against socialism. :evil: :evil: :evil:

The ones that are struggling have only themselves to blame and won't see improvement until they take responsibility for their situation.


If a burger flipper wants to get paid as much as a medical assistant, then a burger is going to cost the same as a medical procedure and they're going to be in the same boat.

I've worked some of the lowest paying jobs there are my whole life and I've always gotten by. I've always had an apartment, a car, TV, computer, phone, clothes, food etc. I just haven't lived in luxury by luxury standards.


If a job needs done, it deserves a living wage attached to it or maybe it's not that important. Insisting other people should live in poverty because you're worried about how them being lifted out of poverty might impact your financial future is just admitting to being willing to allow others to suffer so you can live a little bit nicer.


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04 Jul 2022, 5:57 pm

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I understand your point.

But there are still many people who don’t do well academically who do well in trades and the military.


Absolutely, but many of them might be more suitable for the trades.

Some of them also might have greater support needs than has been realized and have just fallen through the cracks their whole lives. You're not one of these people, but the people who act like those people just need to be treated more harshly seem to be unwilling to consider that not everyone with something wrong has already had it diagnosed.

We've had posters here who probably fall into that category of people.


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04 Jul 2022, 6:09 pm

We had several football players and wrestlers fresh out of high school in my boot camp company of about 100 recruits. They had the attitude that they were going to dominate everyone else and show the drill instructors what real toughness was all about.

Only one of them made it to graduation with the rest of us. The rest were either held back in a “remedial” company, or they washed out completely.

The military does not need alpha bullies or star athletes; it needs people who are willing to follow orders and able to do the work.

Why is it that people who have no personal military experience believe they know the most about it?



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05 Jul 2022, 12:15 am

In retrospect …. It was a hec of a way to make a living . Would be ideal if the world did not need or fall back in the need for a military apparatus. Imagine all that effort and money going into things that raise the quality of the health of the human race instead.Sorry am going abit off topic. But War is a -ell of a thing to have in common with other humans for a line of Work . :roll: Perhaps this is just point of veiw have developed so many years past my discharge
Date . And having seen abit much on the pain and suffering scale. Imho


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05 Jul 2022, 12:45 am

Fnord wrote:
Why is it that people who have no personal military experience believe they know the most about it?


People often do the opposite as well, especially when they also overestimate the depth of their knowledge or it moves beyond their intellectual hinterland.

I've worked with reservists who couldn't help but make readily verifiable errors while discussing topics that approach general knowledge. There's a lot of fields of knowledge and it's absolutely fair to say they'd be a lot more familiar with practical tasks related, but that doesn't mean they've spent decades scouring over well-sourced, well-substantiated opinions of numerous recognized experts, papers, doctrine documents, etc.

I'm sure Chris Cappy and Bill Gunston could both make each other sound uninformed, if they brought the discussion into what they're most familiar with.

Ultimately it wasn't Gunston's service in the 40s that made him an authority up until his death, it was his constant pursuit of relevant knowledge, which isn't limited to people with service even if it's probably over-represented. Cappy has fewer topics he can speak as a real expert on, but the ones he's able to discuss in depth are ones he has experience and research on and he has the rest of his life to catch up to Gunston.

Chris Cappy is great, but when he's outside of his hinterland there's people who correct him or can provide additional information. Not all of them have served but someone who's informed is informed and someone who desires information appreciate those who can inform them. He's good about being humble and curious enough to keep learning and pursuing sources that can fill in where he's lacking.


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