You can't be neurotypical and have mental health issues

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11 Jul 2022, 7:11 pm

I am sorry, but you can't have severe mental health issues and be neurotypical at the same time, but you can be neurologically developed though.



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11 Jul 2022, 7:25 pm

You've introduced the word "severe" now.

That's not what your thread title said, and it's that title I'm debating.

Define "severe".

My point is that many people suffer from isolated bouts of anxiety and depression, but because they don't recur or become part of a wider pattern they aren't classed as neuroatypical.

It could be argued that far from being problems these are in fact perfectly well-reasoned responses to the world around us. But society in general and Doctors in particular still class them as mental health issues, albeit short term ones.



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11 Jul 2022, 7:45 pm

I didn't invent that word, lot of scholarships describe "Severe" when describing mental disorders, neurodevelopmental disorders and neurogenic disorders with effective or psychotic features.



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11 Jul 2022, 8:12 pm

I think one should distinguish between neurology from... States.


If anxiety and depression is a neurodivergence -- then so is enlightenment.


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11 Jul 2022, 8:20 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
I think one should distinguish between neurology from... States.


If anxiety and depression is a neurodivergence -- then so is enlightenment.


My new proposed classification for "Neurotypical" should be 'Neurologically developed'

NGD: A person that is neurologically developed.

People who are NGD can develop mental health and neurogenic disorders later on.

"Neurodivergence" should be 'Atypical Development or neurological issues'

ADNI: A person that has abnormal behavior traits that is associated or part of Neurodevelopmental Disorders, Neurogenic Disorders and/ or both.

People who are ADNI can also have mental health issues, but not all with ANDI do.



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11 Jul 2022, 8:39 pm

FranzOren wrote:
My new proposed classification for "Neurotypical" should be 'Neurologically developed'


Neurologically developed is already in medical use with an understood meaning.

Whether that is a factor for or against is a thing I'll leave to other people to discuss.


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Children are more vulnerable to hazards in the environment than adults.

Children have a greater degree of exposure to environmental factors than adults because they breathe more air, eat more food, and drink more water per unit of body weight.

Because children exhibit exploratory behaviors that place them in direct contact with contaminated surfaces, they are more likely to be exposed to any contaminants present (putting items and hands in mouths, crawling, etc.).

They are also less immunologically, physiologically, and neurologically developed and therefore may be more susceptible to the adverse effects of chemicals and toxins.
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11 Jul 2022, 8:46 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
FranzOren wrote:
My new proposed classification for "Neurotypical" should be 'Neurologically developed'


Neurologically developed is already in medical use with an understood meaning.

Whether that is a factor for or against is a thing I'll leave to other people to discuss.


Center for Environmental Research and Children's Health (CERCH)
https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/researc ... alth-cerch
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Why study children?

Children are more vulnerable to hazards in the environment than adults.

Children have a greater degree of exposure to environmental factors than adults because they breathe more air, eat more food, and drink more water per unit of body weight.

Because children exhibit exploratory behaviors that place them in direct contact with contaminated surfaces, they are more likely to be exposed to any contaminants present (putting items and hands in mouths, crawling, etc.).

They are also less immunologically, physiologically, and neurologically developed and therefore may be more susceptible to the adverse effects of chemicals and toxins.
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What about studying adults that have similar issues?



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13 Jul 2022, 5:38 am

Usually neurotypical means those who aren't born with any diagnosable developmental disabilities or disorders, such as autism, downs syndrome, etc.

Mental health disorders are too common in humans to be classed as non-NT.


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13 Jul 2022, 7:25 am

It makes sense.



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13 Jul 2022, 7:40 am

Joe90 wrote:
Usually neurotypical means those who aren't born with any diagnosable developmental disabilities or disorders, such as autism, downs syndrome, etc.

Mental health disorders are too common in humans to be classed as non-NT.


Agree as I said just a control group nothing more


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13 Jul 2022, 8:51 am

That makes sense.