F.B.I. Raids Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

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02 Oct 2022, 2:41 am

Aaaah, so this is why trump's $3M lawyer got pulled:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doj-mar- ... 0e606e0113

..because he's giving good legal advice instead of being a goon.

Meanwhile, in objective reality, gooning is going to make things worse for the former guy And get his lawyers in hot water. Oh well.. so sad. lol


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03 Oct 2022, 2:25 pm

:lol:

DOJ tweets that trump’s lawyers need to lawyer up for lying on official court submissions that all of the documents had been returned when clearly they had not:

https://www.salon.com/2022/10/03/attorn ... se-report/

One has a lawyer already, the other is advised to buy for some reason seems to think he doesn’t need one.. probably not the wisest move on his part.


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03 Oct 2022, 7:32 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
:lol:

DOJ tweets that trump’s lawyers need to lawyer up for lying on official court submissions that all of the documents had been returned when clearly they had not:

https://www.salon.com/2022/10/03/attorn ... se-report/


No surprise. Duly predicted on a legal podcast I listen to. The lawyer who made that statement should have know better.


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04 Oct 2022, 9:10 am

Yahoo!, attributed to NBC News: "National Archives notified Trump lawyers in May 2021..."

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The National Archives notified Donald Trump’s lawyers in May 2021 that some of the presidential records it was missing included correspondence between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and a letter former President Barack Obama left for Trump, according to a previously undisclosed email.

The National Archives and Record Administration made the email, dated May 6, 2021, and several other documents public Monday in response to Freedom of Information Act requests by numerous news organizations. The bulk of requested material was not released.


Yahoo!, attributed to Insider "Trump personally packed a stash of documents..."
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Former President Donald Trump personally packed a trove of documents returned to the National Archives in January, while keeping many records back, The Washington Post reported.

Trump also instructed a lawyer to say all the documents sought by the records agency had been returned, the paper reported. It said he refused to do as he could not be sure it was true.

The Post reported this on the basis of unnamed sources familiar with the matter.

A spokesperson for Trump did not respond to the Post's specific questions, and did not immediately reply to Insider's request for comment.

The report that Trump himself selected the documents to be returned from Mar-a-Lago, while keeping some behind, could worsen his position in the legal case against him.

Trump packed up the 15 boxes under intense secrecy, keeping the process out of the view even of top aides, per earlier reporting from the Post.

After handing those over, he was extremely keen to claim that all documents had been returned, dictating a statement to that effect, the Post reported.

But his lawyer Alex Cannon in February refused to sign it, the report said. Cannon, per the report, was not convinced that there really were no more documents at Mar-a-Lago.


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04 Oct 2022, 1:50 pm

This just keeps getting better and better.. he can't even claim someone else made an error. He did it himself and then lied to his own lawyers trying to get them to lie for him, one didn't believe him and refused to do it - but two suckers inked their names on the letter.

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04 Oct 2022, 2:18 pm

^that move is being called and open and shut case of obstruction that the DOJ will have no choice but to indict trump for in order to maintain the rule of law.. as anyone else would be charged, sooo, they pretty much Have To charge the former guy.

https://www.salon.com/2022/10/04/open-a ... -stronger/

Somehow I doubt they’ll announce that charge and then others. My guess is they’ll continue working through the whole case and then announce any/all charges related to it at once.


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04 Oct 2022, 3:00 pm

Yahoo!, attributed to The Wrap: "That Time The Onion Predicted Trump Would Misplace Nuclear Secrets..."

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Five years before the FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida and seized over 11,000 documents — including 325 that were marked classified — the parody news outlet The Onion published a story that seemed to predict the reality star-turned-president’s lax approach to government secrets.

Back in March 27, 2017 — just two months into Trump’s presidency — The Onion seemed to anticipate a story that has been dominating the news cycle for the last two months with a post headlined “Mar-A-Lago Assistant Manager Wondering If Anyone Coming To Collect Nuclear Briefcase From Lost And Found.”


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04 Oct 2022, 3:34 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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04 Oct 2022, 4:19 pm

Now he asks the SCOTUS to intervene:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ma ... f8f367880e

Hopefully they give him a swift 'LOL No.'


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05 Oct 2022, 9:02 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

trump’s lawyers admit to crime in filing to Supreme Court:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lawrence ... 8038c38df6

This just keeps getting better and better.


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05 Oct 2022, 9:06 am

Clarence Thomas might be an arch conservative----but he is also a man of dignity.

He would laugh Trump's petition right out of the Supreme Court.



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05 Oct 2022, 10:41 am

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Clarence Thomas might be an arch conservative----but he is also a man of dignity.

He would laugh Trump's petition right out of the Supreme Court.


Hope so. Hard to say for certain given the crazy stuff his wife says.

Maybe he'll actually follow the rule of law on this one in order to maintain his own reputation since he knows he's under the microscope right now.


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06 Oct 2022, 8:39 pm

Justice Dept. Is Said to Believe Trump Has More Documents

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A top Justice Department official told former President Donald J. Trump’s lawyers in recent weeks that the department believed he had not returned all the documents he took when he left the White House, according to two people briefed on the matter.

The outreach from the official, Jay I. Bratt, who leads the department’s counterintelligence operations, is the most concrete indication yet that investigators remain skeptical that Mr. Trump has been fully cooperative in their efforts to recover documents the former president was supposed to have turned over to the National Archives at the end of his term.

It is not clear what steps the Justice Department might take to retrieve any material it thinks Mr. Trump still holds.

And it is not known whether the Justice Department has gathered new evidence that Mr. Trump has held onto government material even after the court-authorized search in August of his private club and residence in Florida, Mar-a-Lago, and 18 months of previous efforts by the federal government to convince the former president to return what he had taken on leaving office.

The Justice Department declined to comment.

The outreach from the department prompted a rift among Mr. Trump’s lawyers about how to respond, with one camp counseling a cooperative approach that would include bringing in an outside firm to conduct a further search for documents and another advising Mr. Trump to maintain a more combative posture.

The more combative camp, the people briefed on the matter said, won out.

The disagreement among the lawyers about how to respond to the Justice Department helped create a fissure within Mr. Trump’s legal team and led, in part, to the minimization of Mr. Kise’s role in Mr. Trump’s legal team in recent weeks.

Mr. Kise did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Taylor Budowich, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, criticized the Justice Department.

“The weaponized Department of Justice and the politicized F.B.I. are spending millions and millions of American tax dollars to perpetuate witch hunt after witch hunt,” he said.

Mr. Trump’s apparent reluctance so far to cooperate puts the department in the fraught position of having to decide from among an array of difficult choices, including whether to give up on trying to obtain the documents, issuing a subpoena for them, obtaining another search warrant or pushing for Mr. Trump to attest under oath that he has handed over all the materials in his possession.

Bob Litt, a longtime national security lawyer, said the Justice Department has a number of options short of carrying out another search warrant. One would be to file a motion in the ongoing court fight over the documents, seeking either return of the documents or a statement under oath from Mr. Trump that he has returned all the documents. By doing so, Mr. Litt said, the department could back Mr. Trump into a corner.

How the department proceeds, he said, would likely be influenced by whether the department believes the documents in question are highly sensitive.

“They could say to the court that in lieu of seeking a search warrant we’re bringing this to the court,” Mr. Litt said. “The goal is to get Trump to go on the record because he has a history of saying things out of court that he won’t go on the record for.”

The lingering questions of missing documents appear to be part of a larger issue the Justice Department and National Archives are confronting with the Trump White House, which routinely flouted federal record-keeping laws.

Last week, the National Archives told a congressional committee that members of Mr. Trump’s administration had still not turned over all presidential records that exist outside of government coffers.

The agency said that there could be legal consequences for those individuals who fail to return the presidential records, including work-related messages from personal email accounts.

The acting U.S. archivist, Debra Steidel Wall, told the congressional committee that the agency would consult with the Justice Department on whether to “initiate an action for the recovery of records unlawfully removed.”


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06 Oct 2022, 8:58 pm

Not surprising. Just go to jail for the rest of your life already, IMO.


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09 Oct 2022, 12:55 am

Lawyer explains how trump planned to extort the DOJ trading classified docs for russia docs: https://fb.watch/g26dEzzl3Z/

I’m no expert, but pretty sure this is highly illegal stuff.. the sort of stuff someone might get charged with a crime over.


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09 Oct 2022, 10:47 am

Yahoo!, attributed to Rolling Stone: "Justice Department Asking if Trump Stashed Documents in Trump Tower"

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Federal investigators have asked multiple witnesses if they knew whether Donald Trump had stashed any highly sensitive government documents at Trump Tower in Manhattan or at his private club in Bedminster, New Jersey, a person familiar with the matter and another source briefed on the situation tell Rolling Stone.

The FBI, according to these sources, had also asked in recent months whether the ex-president had a habit of transporting classified documents from his Florida estate Mar-a-Lago to the other Trump properties. The feds specifically discussed both the New York City and Bedminster locations with certain witnesses.

“It was obvious they wanted to know if this went beyond just Mar-a-Lago,” the first source says.


:roll: Maybe they're still looking for Hillary's e-mails?


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