I really don't want the US to become a Christian Theocracy

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It's not quite related to the thread topic, but this talk about quack doctors brings to mind how George Washington died. He had some sort of ailment that was causing congestion and making his breathing difficult; so they decided to try blood letting, as was the style at the time. They drained over five pints of his blood... That's roughly half the blood in an adult body. You die if you loose more than 40%...




In terms of the actual topic of the thread, you said you live in the bible belt; did they blast their preaching on loud speakers durring the hight of covid where you are? Because, where I live, the state banned churches from having service indoors for a few months, as they did with all indoor gatherings. The closest church to me decided to set up stadium speakers in the parking lot to preach to the congregation while they were in their cars. The cars had to have their windows up or be at least one parking space apart, so they were blasting the preaching and gospel music. They also did service all day every day durring that time. I don't actually know if people were there all the time to listen or if they were just preaching to the valley, but even being about a mile from that church there was no escaping it outside and I could even hear it inside. Pretty much from sun up to sun down there was just angry doomsday baptist preaching interspersed with gospel music eccoing throughout the valley. It is one of the more eary things I have experienced, especially when put in context of it being the first few months of lockdown.

How so? biblical law would be just as archaic.

I honestly never experienced that where I live, but then again we stay pretty isolated and I never go to church.

The last time I went to church was when I was staying at a group home a few years ago after fighting with my mom and we had to go to this church and listen to the preacher in order to get a lunch during the day.

For a moment I was drawn in and thought "Maybe these Christians really arent so bad?" ...until one angry preacher went on a rant about how "disgusting" homosexuals are and yatta yatta. I got so angry I walked out and left.

Not to mention oppressive. People should really read into what "Christian Nations" like the ones in Europe did in the old days did to punish those who would not or could not conform. Or simply made the perfect scapegoats no matter how devoted to Christ they were.

Like with what happened to the Knights Templar when they were all stripped naked and burned at the stake over bogus charges like worshipping a made-up demon called Baphomet and commiting heresy and acts of homosexuality.

That's pretty messed up that a group home would withhold food for not going to church, even if the group home is run by a church. I don't go to church either. I thought about joining when we first moved out here, especially because everyone was inviting us to join their church, but my wife thought that would be dishonest as neither of us is christian. We are also quite isolated and in a fairly rural area. In fact, durring that time neither of us left the property for months, except for when I would check the po box lile once a month after hours. The closest I've had to regularly attending church, was growing up my dad would take my brother and I to the UU temple every sunday. We attended sunday school there as well as church service, but that's not quite christianity...

Yeah my Nana also used to take me to Sunday School when I was a kid, but I quit going about the time I realized I was gay. Plus I had 'other' problems with the beliefs and the history of Christianity.

Being 1/3rd Hawaiian on my Dad's side I came to learn that it was Christian missionaries who pretty much played a big role in wiping out my ancestor's culture when Hawaii was claimed (illegally) by Americans.

Yeah, missionaries have been responsible for a lot of that. What's more disturbing is that is soft conversion as opposed to the far more brutal tactics of the past. Europe was concerned by christianity through hundreds of years of wars, witch hunts, inquisitions, ect.. lots of the most brutal torture possible. Much of the culture, traditions, stories, and theology of prechristian Europe was wiped away completely. There are entire gods that are only known about at all from fleeting mentions in other stories that did survive.

He means that there are more things forbidden in the Quran than in the Bible.

Yeah I know, that's why I don't trust Christianity, or any of the Abrahamic religions including Judaism and Islam.

I'm much more sympathetic to the neopagan movement which I've come to realize is really about trying to recapture what has been unfairly destroyed and wiped out by these Christians.

In fact I'm just going to be honest I think even Satanists have better 'morals' than your most devout right-wing Christian fanatic. They at least believe in religious freedom and don't think they have the right to force their beliefs on anybody the way Christians have done for centuries.

And contrary to what these Trump-worshipping Qanon morons believe, real Satanists are not a bunch pedophiles drinking baby's blood while secretly running the Democratic Party. But you cannot convince any of these dangerous useful idiots to Trump's textbook fascist agenda of this so frankly they can all die for all I really care.

Yeah, I also don't trust the abrahamic religions. They are all quite violent and subversive. Another great example of what christianity has done is the destruction of the Library of Alexandria and the felaying alive of Hypatia.

The witches that christians loved to burn and drown so much were simply those who still followed the old ways, or more frequently in later times simply random people or outcasts of some form who were scapegoated.







From what I understand, satanists are pretty much just edgelord atheists who challange the christians by doing things like suing to have a satanic statue put next to the ten commandments statue on public land. Their point being of course that it is public land so it's either all ok or none of it is.

People seem to confuse them with the demonic cults that do exist and do some really twisted things and various disturbing places that elites go to like the bohemian grove and epstein's island.

The people who want theocracy are also firm believers of Q-Anon, and consider anyone who disagrees with them to be a potential pedophile or human trafficker.

And they think religious fundamentalism is the only way to ensure their kids are "safe". They are the ones who post, like and share those "Walmart abduction" stories that have gone viral on FB, or the "killer in the backseat" or the "burundanga business card" hoaxes.

As an atheist I have misgivings about any religious group making laws. To my mind, you need to consider the earthly situation in order to design laws to make a country fair and prosperous. As soon as you start to plug in your deity's supposed wishes, you're forsaking the objective nature of the matter.

Christianity is only one of several ideologies in the USA, and if Christianity's leaders want to dabble with the law, I suspect they have totalitarian aspirations. Otherwise, why would they want to impose their rules on people who don't subscribe to their beliefs?

Personally I have a hard time understanding any group that wants to force their ideas onto the whole of society. If I had the power myself, I'd want to create a place that had rules to help socialism flourish, but if half the population hated the idea, I'd rather also designate some part of the country as right-wing, and let the people who want to live like that go and live there. If they want inequality and exploitation, let them have that, as long as everybody can choose which system they live under. Not that I know that any such policy would be workable. Just that to me it's axiomatic that I have no right to force anybody to live under a system they strongly disagree with.

Depending on your viewpoint, neither might be preferable.



At this point the chances for that are probably as high as for you being send to the Gulag. Or being locked up in a psychiatric hospital for wrongthink.



They where faced execution in France. And outside of France, almost none where found guilty of the charges the king of France leveled against them. And they where either absorbed into other orders, like the Order of Malta (the Catholic Church was already working towards merging the two before France started prosecuting the former), or allowed to retire.



Indeed, like I said before outside of France the templars where not found guilty of the charges made by king Philip IV. Who of course probably just wanted to seize their assets for himself.



Maybe later turned into a demon. But more likely it was originally a bastardization of Mohammad. Basically the king of France was accusing them of secretly beings Muslims. In the same way some people today are being accused of working for Russia/Poetin, with no regard to whether such claims are valid or not. Or the red scare of the Cold War.

I dont see much difference between the 20th/21st Century Taliban and this actual Christian theocracy in Sixteenth Century Switzerland.


https://www.stephenhicks.org/2010/11/27 ... ns-geneva/


Also from that century

https://youtu.be/Cj8n4MfhjUc

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