I'm starting to root for the next American Civil War

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"Ireland" has already been proudly seperate from the UK for a long time. Dont EVERY say "Ireland" when you mean just "Northern Ireland" (aka "Ulser").

Scotland would remain in NATO, and it would remain in the EU. So it would still belong to both a military 'club' and to an economic 'club'.

In fact ironically one of Scotland's beefs with England is that England voted for Brexit, and they didnt.


England is like the Southern Confederacy seceding from the Union. And Scotland would be like the state of West Virginia- which broke away from the Confederacy to rejoin the Union.

Ok... i guess once again my delusions and paranoia got the best of me. I'm not looking for sympathy for my behavior, but now see why I was wrong. I apologize for what it's worth (which might not be much considering i was way out of line making death threats...)


I'm just really fed up with the way the world is headed. I dont know what else to say?

Figure out an escape plan to Canada.

Part of me wishes I could just up and move to Canada, or even Mexico.

We have to wonder though...just why is England so keen to cling onto Scotland and Ireland then? It is England saying 'no no, don't leave us' whereas most Scots and Irish say 'we've had enough of you, we want to leave.'

What benefits are there for England that they don't want to lose by letting the other countries go?

You're right, I'm just being lazy But I've heard a lot of Irish people on both sides talking about reuniting the two countries, so you never know, they might do that.



Yes that is their main problem with us- they generally voted Remain and we generally voted Leave. Fair enough, I say. I support countries wanting to get away from England, I will push them into the lifeboats while we sink.

No clue. Great whiskey? I love a good bottle of old Glenlivet!

Otherwise, I could see politics playing into it. In the USA, I’m ok with open borders because it gives productive foreigners easy access to jobs and American businessmen easy access to cheap labor. That's how growth happens.

Republicans want closed borders because reasons. But only with Mexico. Because Central and South Americans tend to favor socialist policies and vote Democratic, and those policies favor moving illegal drugs, human trafficking, gang violence, and is a drain on American taxpayers since welfare is easy to get and pays better than entry-level jobs.

Democrats favor open borders because, as mentioned before, they get more votes.

So for both parties it's about power, though Republicans it's also about keeping Americans safe. Illegal, undocumented immigrants by nature have to exist above the law. These are mostly good people, but it creates a breeding ground for destructive behavior when human traffickers, drug cartels, and amoral American businessmen exploit people who are simply seeking a better life.

What do I think? I say open the borders, get rid of welfare programs that pay better than min wage, get rid of min wage, and let individual business leaders and migrant laborers work out among themselves how they’ll partner to create a productive society. Let people vote however they want to vote. And enforce laws that protect people from exploitation and harm.

That's how it works in the USA. While the USA doesn't own Mexico or Canada, there is this love/hate relationship with our closest neighbors as well as other American governments further south of Mexico.

My question for you is this: Is Westminster’s interest in Ireland/Scotland have anything to do with maintaining a balance of political power? If Ireland/Scotland were completely severed, how would that reshape Parliament? Which politicians and other power brokers would be looking for new work? Things are different over there, but I wonder if a similar theory holds.

Keep your passport ready. It might not be all that long until you can seek asylum fleeing a politically unstable country.

Unfortunately I don't even own a passport.

Should probably get one just in case this actually happens and you need to dip out North or South for real.

When the SHTF with my country I get the feeling that I and many other Americans will just get the same treatment as the many poor Russians who have tried to flee the draft for Putin's stupid war and got turned away by the rest of the world.

Global opinion of the good ol' USA has already sunk low due to our blunder in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the George Floyd incident, and of course Donald Trump.

We're just an election or two away from essentially turning into another Russia or 1930's Germany.


Life really sucks when history 'rhymes' as Mark Twain put it.

Could be, I don't know. If Ireland/Scotland left, the English parliament would be mostly right wing and they could do what they liked with England with no one to say 'hang on a minute, that's inhumane'. That is not a situation I want to be in.

As it stands, the government is trying to divide Britain up into Freeports, Investment Zones and Charter Cities. These places will have their own laws, their own police forces etc, and be answerable to no one else. Private companies can take over these places.

The choice for the public will be: live in these places and be vulnerable to the businesses which rule them. Or live 'outside' with no laws. All very Mad Max/ Judge Dredd.

I am afraid.

umm the last US civil war involved fighting over trafficking human beings

Man wake up! Like ANY war it was much more complex than what the victors sell to us in the history books. Slavery was a big part of it I'm sure but I'm also positive there was much more to the war than the North pretending like they gave a damn about black people in this country considering that African American soldiers were treated like garbage by their white officers and the so-called "not racist" northern states treated them as unwanted even after they were freed. Why do you think there are still so many black people living in the south? If the north was such a liberal haven wouldn't they all just abandon this less desirable part of the country and move up north?

The whole damn country has always been racist but everyone loves to scapegoat the south. Oh and slavery didnt end with the Civil War. Our country still exploits people in poorer countries to make cheap plastic products for us. I garuntee you whatever computer or smartphone you are using to type on the internet was made by slave slaver in a country like China.

You are actually on the right track.

I’ve had to revise my view of the south. I’ve lived in Mississippi all but two years of my life, roughly half of that in the Mississippi Delta. I was brought up with a “War of Northern Aggression” mentality, and my dad and my grandparents still used the n-word in casual conversation. I went to a private school, and I heard the n-word used by kids I went to school with. Back then, 1980’s, you could find quite a few Republicans who, if not outright racist, saw nothing wrong with using racist language. And you could find a few more Democrats who were Democrats by way of tradition but were vehemently racist. My grandmother-in-law was one of those—a lifelong Democrat who hated black people and somehow thought having a black President was the coolest thing she’d ever seen. And it was only because he had a D next to his name.

But that was the mentality of many white folks in the south, and I never understood if Republicans were the enemy why it is so many Southerners vote Republican.

Then it hit me the more I studied history and American politics. Republican and Democratic values never fundamentally changed. Those values merely manifested in different ways over time, but the values themselves are mostly what they’ve been since Lincoln.

Example: Republicans favor a unified nation of states while protecting the rights of individuals. Democrats are statists who prefer a divided country. Lincoln knew that a divided nation would be unable to use resources effectively and would leave North America vulnerable, also risking ongoing disputes over time (akin to North/South Korea nowadays). Slavery, too, is antithetical to the American value of freedom. On the other hand, Democrats preferred concentrating power in the hands of a few and stratifying society into classes by force, as demonstrated by plantation dynamics. Democrats were highly regressive, depending on agriculture and slave labor to support their economy when a forward-thinking society would have favored automation even by 19th century standards. Slave labor itself is expensive to maintain, after all. And the rationale for maintaining slaves was that they’re too stupid to think for themselves and that white farmers were doing them a favor.

What we see today in American politics closely parallels the events of the Civil War. Nothing philosophically changed. Republicans still favor individual rights for all, innovation/achievement, a strong government that protects the interests of citizens while limiting government intrusion (Lincoln only freed the slaves; he didn’t force them to achieve anything). The same principle holds today: Slavery does not exist as legal institution, but no politician can IMPOSE freedom on individuals who don’t want to be free. Freedom is now, as it always was, a choice. This is partially, though not completely, what the Republican Party stands for.

Democrats, otoh, push policies that, in short, defy reason and are completely devoid of meaningful logic. Slavery no longer exists as an institution. The immediate response was to isolate blacks and oppress them in order to deny them political influence. But once Democrats understood they could feed off decades of oppression by “fixing” the problem by trying to manipulate blacks into complete dependency on government entitlement programs, Democrats were able to convert blacks and other minorities into a power base. The racism is still present—blacks are incapable of thinking for themselves, cannot take care of themselves. But instead of blacks rising above themselves and circumstances to participate fully in productive society, just stay at home and raise your grandchildren. Don’t worry about the rest if it, just let the white people run things. Just keep voting Democrat and we’ll make sure everything works out ok.

They don’t call them Limousine Liberals for
nothing. The plantation is still there, casting its long shadow. And Critical Race Theory, while absolutely absurd, exists because black people have begun to see that white people cannot correct a problem that is caused by whiteness. Yet this is a product of and plays into the hands of Democratic, collectivist/statist thinking. Stratify/segregate society, perpetuate ongoing problems of racial oppression, and then roll out a slough of “solutions” that can’t possibly fix anything.

It’s easy to scapegoat the South because it’s predominantly Republican yet the problems of racial oppression lingered here the longest. But look who the loudest voices are criticizing the south: Northern Democrats concentrated in suburbs. White people, IOW, who live in large places where you MIGHT find 4 or 5 token black families and that’s about it. They live far away from the rural south, the Mississippi Delta, and predominantly minority urban centers. They can’t be bothered to actually live among these people. They aren’t confronted by rampant prostitution, gang violence, black market drugs, and so on. People don’t like to hear the term “welfare queens,” but it takes a whole new meaning when you spend several years living among them. Northern white Democrats love to demonize the south, but they are plagued by their own racist tendencies when they can’t be bothered to experience our reality firsthand.

Slavery continues in the USA. It just looks different. It’s not about hard labor. It’s about the freedom of rational thought. They don’t like individual freedom. They do like keeping minorities dependent on the government. They like maintaining their hold on power while keeping a broad distance between themselves and the people they claim to “help.”

Yes, I’m being heavily critical of Democrats and I’m being lightweight on Republicans. I see most of the problems as originating in the Democratic Party. I see the Republican Party as offering more opportunity for more people so long as Republicans actually act on the values they claim to stand for. Make no mistake: Republicans in the present day have proven they are merely the other side of the same coin as Democrats. I could go on and on about what I think of Republicans, but this post has gone on long enough already.

I'm starting to agree with so much of this though I still would never side with what passes for the Republican Party today. I would be in favor of a third party that actually knows how to behave like adults in a crisis and govern our country instead of slinging poo at each other.

Fat chance of that ever happening though!