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cyberdad, I don't understand how what you wrote relates to what I wrote. I didn't use the term "anti-white racism." And please re-read my second paragraph, which you didn't quote.

They are trying separate white people into those that agree with them and those that are racists for the purpose of "othering" the racists. Central to their worldview, those that disagree with them and white supremacists are one and the same.

The North has been more segregated than the south for decades. Trump won states north of the Mason-Dixon line
You don't have to be Southern to be a Neo-Confederate
The article describes how neo-confederate identity is a phenomenon no longer relegated to the south and has gained popularity among conservative and rural demographics.

I'm saying that whatever implicit bias held by non-white groups it does not warrant the need for awareness or training for anti-white racism because...the latter does not exist

No one is "forgetting" that there are some rich and famous black people. The problem is that the average black person still has to contend with systemic racism, despite the existence of these rich and famous black people -- who are only a miniscule minority among the wealthy. (See the separate thread Evidence of systemic racism, implicit bias, etc..)


I agree with you that this is the single worst and main problem our country (and the world) faces. We need, above all, a well-organized and effective political movement in favor of taxing the rich, creating a better social safety net for poor and working-class people, and (re) building infrastructure.

Unfortunately, creating such a movement is much harder than mobilizing a ghettoized, marginalized minority group. Too many working-class people have bought into the extremely well-funded right wing propaganda that has taught them to hate anyone poorer than they are and to believe that government benefits of any kind, and taxation of the rich, are somehow evil. (See also the separate thread Economist here, I want to rant about why I don't tell people.)

The working-class people who believe the afore-mentioned right wing propaganda are overwhelmingly predominantly (though not exclusively) white. And it seems, to many left-wingers, that the effectiveness of right wing propaganda against the poor is due largely to an appeal (usually subliminal, but sometimes overt) to white racism (whether conscious or implicit).


Historically that's true. The original purpose of having separate racial castes in North America was to keep blacks and poor whites from uniting against wealthy white landowners.

However, in today's world, things are more complicated. More about this later.

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The latter does not exist by definition, if you define "racism" as not just racial bias, but more specifically bias against a racial group that is marginalized in society as a whole.

The reason why "whatever implicit bias held by non-white groups it does not warrant the need for awareness or training" is because white people are not marginalized in Western society as a whole. If/when real equality is achieved, then either the anti-bias trainings won't be needed at all anymore, or, in some cases, more-mutual trainings might be needed.

Your definition is correct because we are talking about western countries so PoC are marginalised.