Mid Terms are lose lose for anti Trump Conservatives

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23 Oct 2022, 10:59 pm

Herschel Walker and the Plight of the True Conservative Voter by David French for the Atlantic

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If ever there were a time and place for a thoughtful, patriotic conservative to vote third party or perhaps even vote for a reasonable Democrat, it’s the 2022 election in Georgia. Herschel Walker’s past is, if possible, even more checkered than Donald Trump’s. After all, no one ever claimed that Trump threatened one of his ex-wives with a gun.

Recent evidence that Walker paid for an abortion is just one more revelation about his thoroughly debauched past. Yet personal scandal is hardly the only problem with Walker. He has a long record of election denial and false claims of mass election fraud. Every voter should presume that Walker, if he wins, will do exactly what Trump demands.

Moreover, Walker’s personal failings aside, there is an overwhelming case that these are not ordinary times, and that the 2022 election is not an ordinary election. So thoughtful, patriotic conservatives should swallow hard, forsake the policy victories they hope for with a Republican Congress, and either stay home or vote Democratic, right?

If that’s the argument, someone needs to tell the Democratic Party what’s at stake. Because right now, it’s making an unsustainable demand of Republican voters: You sacrifice the policies that you believe are best for our nation and its people; we sacrifice nothing.

There’s no better example of this approach than Raphael Warnock’s stance on abortion rights. He was one of 49 Democratic senators who voted for the Women’s Health Protection Act. This bill doesn’t just “codify Roe.” It would preempt hundreds of state laws that existed before the Supreme Court’s opinion in Dobbs, including, for example, waiting periods, 20-week abortion bans, and ultrasound requirements.

It would permit pre-viability abortion for any reason.

If that law were to pass, America would immediately become an outlier nation on abortion rights, more permissive than the overwhelming majority of its peer countries in the developed world.

Think of the dilemma for thoughtful conservatives, particularly those who are deeply anti-abortion. Vote for the spouse-abusing election denier? Vote for the man who’s diametrically opposed to you on a life-and-death issue that is more important to you than any other? Or vote for someone else, knowing that you’re costing the GOP your normally reliable vote?

Versions of this dilemma are being put before GOP voters in different races across the country.

What makes these stands all the more extraordinary is that they’re actually unpopular.

Right now the message to conservative anti-abortion voters is that they should risk a potential policy loss on what is for many of them their single most important issue, because the republic could be at risk. Yet, key Democrats—sensing opportunity in the weakness of Walker, or of Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania—are refusing to compromise on that same issue.

They’re even using the moment to push an unpopular position on the most contentious issue in the culture wars. They see the Republican crisis as more of an opportunity than a risk to our national union.

There is no moral standing to scorn Republicans for refusing to risk their preferred policies for the sake of democracy if prominent Democrats are doing the exact same thing. Compounding the challenge is the knowledge that Democrats poured millions of dollars into ad campaigns to try to persuade Republicans to vote for extremists in GOP primaries. Is democracy at stake, or not?

I happen to believe that it is. I watched the events of January 6 and knew that they represented the most dangerous moment in modern American political history. Revelations since the attack on the Capitol have only reaffirmed that danger. If Mike Pence had said yes to Trump’s scheme, our nation would have been plunged into the worst constitutional crisis since 1861.

Defenders of democracy are in need of allies. And though I understand that millions of Republicans will vote for a Trump loyalist no matter the character of the man or woman on the ballot, a substantial number of conservative voters are deeply troubled by the party’s dark turn. They understand all too well the vital importance of character in American politics. And yet they are left with no good choices.

Opposition to Trump or concerns about election conspiracies don’t make them any less anti-abortion, and the unwillingness of Democrats to compromise tears conscientious conservatives in two. So don’t be surprised if some voters still bite the bullet and vote for policy over character. In my view, that’s a potentially catastrophic mistake (character should never be optional), but it’s a mistake made all the more likely and understandable when the opposing party wants to take your vote—and give you nothing in return.


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Unlike French, I am pro-choice, my issues with the Democrats lie elsewhere, but I do emphasize with the frustration.

I can not argue with the Dems calculus. The future of their party lies with the more socialist and woke zoomers, the moderates/centrists part of their base have no choice but to vote against the MAGA party. The MAGA's can not do anything more outrageous to change the calculus. Any Republicans that will desert the party have done so. French was wrong to emphasize blaming the Democrats. While most of our attention is focused on the hard-core MAGA's it is the Trump hating Republican voters who are most at fault for putting us in the situation we are in.

I have made my lesser of two nightmares choice. With the exception of local officials who have no control over Congressional and Presidential elections, I will and have been voting for the Democrat candidate. I do that with full knowledge that my vote will help enact bad to dangerous policies, and the democrats have significant illiberal tendencies of their own.

I have an exception to my own rule.
Dems cynically help MAGA Republicans win again — despite their ‘threat to democracy’ shtick
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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s super PAC spent a whopping $3.2 million on ads attacking moderate GOP Senate candidate Chuck Morse. That helped put MAGA-champion Don Bolduc (who was running out of money toward the end of the campaign) over the top.

Counting the New Hampshire wins, Democratic interference, to the tune of $53 million, has now aided a total of six victorious MAGA candidates in GOP primaries. Yet Dems — including, most notably, President Joe Biden himself — claim these people are out to kill American democracy.

Schumer and other party leaders either don’t really believe their own claims, or are happy to feed the threat to democracy itself just to protect their own power. Either way, it’s squalid.


The choice is made easier because it is no contest, my vote won't matter. But even if it did and Schumer was an angel doing that would disqualify him for me. I will probably vote for no one but that is not set in stone. I need to take a deeper look at the Republicans and third-party candidates.


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23 Oct 2022, 11:13 pm

It's looking like the Dems are going to reap what they sowed, the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be glorious if that happens.


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24 Oct 2022, 2:19 am

oh the atlantic -- of all places
neo con and neo lib for the military industrial complex, the old banking stategy

remember arpanet?
darpa woke https://www.darpa.mil/work-with-us/for- ... d-military / plow in the right words and hide the clues in plain sight
"obama's brain" and darpa; https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/BRAIN
http://scientistsascitizens.org/2014/10 ... ht-creepy/
Altantic on show; the obama doctrine - wtf; save the banks and go to war??

The Atlantic and the Aspen Institute launched the Aspen Ideas Festival The event has been called a "political who's who" as it often features policymakers, journalists, lobbyists, and think tank leaders
- The Aspen Institute is largely funded by foundations such as the Carnegie Corporation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Gates Foundation, the Lumina Foundation, and the Ford Foundation, by seminar fees, and by individual donations. Its board of trustees includes leaders from politics, government, business and academia who also contribute to its support.



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24 Oct 2022, 12:10 pm

traven wrote:
oh the atlantic -- of all places
neo con and neo lib for the military industrial complex, the old banking stategy

remember arpanet?
darpa woke https://www.darpa.mil/work-with-us/for- ... d-military / plow in the right words and hide the clues in plain sight
"obama's brain" and darpa; https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/BRAIN
http://scientistsascitizens.org/2014/10 ... ht-creepy/
Altantic on show; the obama doctrine - wtf; save the banks and go to war??

The Atlantic and the Aspen Institute launched the Aspen Ideas Festival The event has been called a "political who's who" as it often features policymakers, journalists, lobbyists, and think tank leaders
- The Aspen Institute is largely funded by foundations such as the Carnegie Corporation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Gates Foundation, the Lumina Foundation, and the Ford Foundation, by seminar fees, and by individual donations. Its board of trustees includes leaders from politics, government, business and academia who also contribute to its support.


I remember arpnet. I don’t understand how any of the is relevant to the article which is not about neocons or neoliberals but about Trump hating religious conservatives of which the author is one.


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24 Oct 2022, 3:32 pm



'Republicans' Are Continuing to Make
'A Parody' Out of 'Conservatism' As That

Applies to Traditional And So Called "Moral
Ethics" of Truth And Yes 'Democrats' Are Following

'Suits' Promoting What They Hate Most Desperate to Win

Similarly as Republicans Leaders Selling Their Conservative Souls

MaKinG A Deal With Just Another 'Faustian Devil' Selling Their Soul For

Real Similar

To What Democrats

Are Falling to Do Now As Well

Is This Anything New Or Do We

Need To Return to Patriotism that
Blindly Supports An Unwarranted War

to Eradicate Hundreds of Thousands of Brown
Folks to Rebuild What They Tear Down For the Military

Industrial Complex And All Their Contract Cronies to Thrive

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That Any Religion
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of Bringing in the Green

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Cold Hard Dead

Cash 'The Matter With Things'

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in 1968 When my First Cousin Burned Up in
A Helicopter Over Vietnam For A Worthless War for 'Mammon' Then too

Just So He Could Become A 'World World 2 Hero' When It Seemed Like Freedom

Was Truly Free and Worth Fighting For For Real Freedom Still Is Yet NEVER LIES

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LIES YET

NEVER LIES

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Becomes And Became A Parody of
Truth At Least At the Top of the Bottom For Real...

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Civilization And Reaching Beyond Yet Is it Anything New

Nah It's Just

That The Motels

At Night No Longer

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Nature
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Yawn, i Only Visit 'the Circus' As 'They' Wouldn't Have me
As Part oF THeir

SHow...

AMEN



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