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25 Oct 2022, 6:48 pm

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The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression is a 1997[note 1] book by Stéphane Courtois, Andrzej Paczkowski, Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Margolin, and several other European academics[note 2] documenting a history of political repression by communist states, including genocides, extrajudicial executions, deportations, and deaths in labor camps and artificially created famines.


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25 Oct 2022, 6:59 pm

I hate communism probably as much as you hate communism.

I also hate fascism.



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25 Oct 2022, 7:01 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I hate communism probably as much as you hate communism.

I also hate fascism.


As I have made it abundantly klear, I am against all forms of extremism.



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25 Oct 2022, 11:02 pm

The extremes of communism and fascism are two different heads of the same monster.


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26 Oct 2022, 1:34 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
The extremes of communism and fascism are two different heads of the same monster.


But communism wins by a mile when you consider the body count of Stalin and Mao. :thumright:

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Who Killed More? Mao, Stalin, or Hitler?




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26 Oct 2022, 1:36 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The extremes of communism and fascism are two different heads of the same monster.

But communism wins by a mile when you consider the body count of Stalin and Mao. :thumright:


No arguments there but what's your end goal here?
I can't recall any member of WP espousing support for communism?



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26 Oct 2022, 2:43 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The extremes of communism and fascism are two different heads of the same monster.


But communism wins by a mile when you consider the body count of Stalin and Mao. :thumright:

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Who Killed More? Mao, Stalin, or Hitler?




Regardless, they both killed vast numbers of people. The lesser body count of fascism doesn't make it somehow better of less guilty than communism.


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26 Oct 2022, 5:09 am

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No arguments there but what's your end goal here?
I can't recall any member of WP espousing support for communism?


Maybe he just wants to talk about how bad communism is?


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26 Oct 2022, 6:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The extremes of communism and fascism are two different heads of the same monster.

But communism wins by a mile when you consider the body count of Stalin and Mao. :thumright:


No arguments there but what's your end goal here?
I can't recall any member of WP espousing support for communism?


I remember you being a communist apologist at one time.
(Hitler Vs Stalin)
Don't you remember our conversation?



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26 Oct 2022, 6:25 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The extremes of communism and fascism are two different heads of the same monster.


But communism wins by a mile when you consider the body count of Stalin and Mao. :thumright:

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Who Killed More? Mao, Stalin, or Hitler?




Regardless, they both killed vast numbers of people. The lesser body count of fascism doesn't make it somehow better of less guilty than communism.


My point was to shine a light on communist atrocities, not to make a comparison.
Some ppl are ignorant about that part of history.



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26 Oct 2022, 6:30 am

Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
No arguments there but what's your end goal here?
I can't recall any member of WP espousing support for communism?


Maybe he just wants to talk about how bad communism is?


BINGO!



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26 Oct 2022, 8:00 am

Pepe wrote:
I remember you being a communist apologist at one time.
(Hitler Vs Stalin)
Don't you remember our conversation?


If you are talking numbers of dead then communism certainly is up there.

But when you dig a little deeper then I tend find whether it be Ceaucescu, Castro, The Kims of North Korea, China or Russia, the motivation is always authoritarianism, control and self-interest at the expense of the populace who don't provide obedience. Deaths had little to do with communism.

In contrast, German, Croatian and Ukrainian Nazism, the multiple mullions of murders were committed with a particular atrocious zeal, ferocity and contempt of their victims (substantial number women and children) by subordinates (whether it be regular infantry, death squads or organised militia) who were acting directly upon racist propaganda.

Obviously if you were not one of the "chosen race" then it's a no-brainer which regime they would choose to live under.



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26 Oct 2022, 2:38 pm

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The extremes of communism and fascism are two different heads of the same monster.


But communism wins by a mile when you consider the body count of Stalin and Mao. :thumright:

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Who Killed More? Mao, Stalin, or Hitler?




Regardless, they both killed vast numbers of people. The lesser body count of fascism doesn't make it somehow better of less guilty than communism.


My point was to shine a light on communist atrocities, not to make a comparison.
Some ppl are ignorant about that part of history.


I think most are aware of Stalin's and Mao's death count.


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26 Oct 2022, 3:26 pm

In terms of pure evilness, rather than body count, of said ideologies, which is worse?


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26 Oct 2022, 4:05 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
In terms of pure evilness, rather than body count, of said ideologies, which is worse?


Yes I think it's pretty hard to top nazism in terms of evil.



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26 Oct 2022, 11:51 pm

How does this book define a communist entity?