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28 Oct 2022, 12:44 am

An antisemitic,anti disabled, pseudo-socialist party that counts success as how much media coverage it's gets as a perpetual protest party , vs a radical but pragmatic party that is a 'broad church', and sees electability as the cornerstone of actually helping people?



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28 Oct 2022, 3:18 am

I'm not too deeply oriented in UK politics but what you describe - a radical ever-protesting, often self-contradicting group and a pragmatic electable one - seem like regular "wings" forming in most of big parties.


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28 Oct 2022, 3:35 am

There's very little that's truly radical about the 1st lot. Their quixotic desire to enable the Tories until their version of an ideologically pure party can be achieved is regressive and not progressive.



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28 Oct 2022, 3:47 am

"Ideological purity" is a common source of actual toxicity.
Not limited to any particular party or ideology.


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28 Oct 2022, 10:27 am

I doubt there's any party or group in the world that's entirely homogenous. I don't doubt that many have characterised Labour as 2 groups (generally a left wing and a right wing), and I sometimes use that reductionist view to make it easier to think about them, but I think in reality every individual member has a unique ideological profile.



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28 Oct 2022, 1:26 pm

Our system encourages "broad churches".

There are multiple "parties" within every UK party.



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28 Oct 2022, 1:43 pm

Wasn't the Tory Cameron relatively "liberal" in some ways?



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28 Oct 2022, 2:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Wasn't the Tory Cameron relatively "liberal" in some ways?

Certainly he was accused of being left-wing by some of his party, but they conveniently overlooked the eye-watering cuts to public services he made.



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28 Oct 2022, 5:57 pm

Well...The history of the Black Civil Rights Movement in the US in the mid Twentieth Century is essentially - the story of how American Blacks made an alliance with the Democratic Party in order to defeat the most entrenched and implacable enemy of the Black Civil Rights Movement...which was...the Democratic Party!

While the GOP stood on the sidelines.

If one of our parties can have a dual personality why cant one of yours? :lol:



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21 Dec 2022, 8:11 am

Is British Labour antisemitic now?


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21 Dec 2022, 8:28 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Is British Labour antisemitic now?

Yes as a side effect of anti-Zionism.


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21 Dec 2022, 1:10 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Is British Labour antisemitic now?


It's in the process of rooting out and expelling those who are antisemitic. Starmer is doing what Corbyn didn't do(chose not to do).



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21 Dec 2022, 1:28 pm

Every party has its share of swivel-eyed loons.


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21 Dec 2022, 1:45 pm

Every political party is a surrey with a lunatic fringe on top!

At least the big tent (two party system) type parties of both UK and the US are. In Europe countries have zillions of tiny splinter parties. And some, arguably, are entirely lunatic fringe.