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20 Nov 2022, 6:01 pm

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Maybe you should watch them and have an informed opinion.

It’s not exactly going to be old news anytime soon. The likelihood that trump and others get indicted for their crimes just increased with the appointment of Jack Smith as special counsel. It’s not a sure thing, but with his appointment and the addition of other high profile lawyers, it sure looks like the DOJ is preparing to hold the orange guy accountable.


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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20 Nov 2022, 6:02 pm

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He should run, right off a cliff.


Agreed. 8)


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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21 Nov 2022, 9:12 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Maybe you should watch them and have an informed opinion.

It’s not exactly going to be old news anytime soon. The likelihood that trump and others get indicted for their crimes just increased with the appointment of Jack Smith as special counsel. It’s not a sure thing, but with his appointment and the addition of other high profile lawyers, it sure looks like the DOJ is preparing to hold the orange guy accountable.

And the results of the midterms plus only one MAGA loser contesting her own defeat. They should not affect decisions on whether to indict, but ….


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21 Nov 2022, 9:46 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Maybe you should watch them and have an informed opinion.

It’s not exactly going to be old news anytime soon. The likelihood that trump and others get indicted for their crimes just increased with the appointment of Jack Smith as special counsel. It’s not a sure thing, but with his appointment and the addition of other high profile lawyers, it sure looks like the DOJ is preparing to hold the orange guy accountable.

And the results of the midterms plus only one MAGA loser contesting her own defeat. They should not affect decisions on whether to indict, but ….

..but it is a pretty good indication that there won't be the political backlash trump wishes would come to his defence.

As for Jack Smith, I saw some woman in a news interview that used to work with him and her reaction upon seeing the news that he was hired on was (paraphrasing as I can't recall exact words) "There's no longer any doubt in my mind that they're going to indict him. (trump)" I guess you simply don't hire Jack Smith if you're not planning on a very high level indictment - that's kind of his thing. :ketchup chips:


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27 Nov 2022, 7:25 pm

’They will bend the knee’: Lincoln project cofounder cautions against dismissing Trump

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Donald Trump, the former US president, is all washed up. Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, is poised to dethrone him. This is the view currently in vogue among many in Washington.

Not so fast, argues Rick Wilson, a veteran Republican strategist and co-founder of the Lincoln Project, an anti-Trump group that shot to prominence with go-for-the-jugular advertisements before becoming mired in scandals of its own.

“The greatest danger in American politics is not recognising that there are great dangers,” Wilson, who lives in Florida, says in a phone interview. “The same people in 2015 and 2016 were confidently asserting Donald Trump could never, ever under any circumstances win the Republican nomination, and there were never any circumstances where Donald Trump could beat Hillary Clinton, and then he could never have almost a million people die because of his mishandling of Covid and on and on and on and on.

“I know that the Republicans who right now are acting very bold and the donors who are acting very frisky – as Trump starts winning primaries, they will bend the knee, they will break, they will fall, they will all come back into line.”

With Trump at arguably his weakest point since last year’s January 6 insurrection, senior Republicans are criticising his losing habit, Rupert Murdoch’s media empire is ridiculing him and big money donors such as Ken Griffin and Stephen Schwarzman are deserting what they perceive as a sinking ship.

The new conventional wisdom – or wishful thinking – among numerous pundits is that, after surviving crisis crisis after crisis, Trump has finally met his Waterloo.

Some have noted, however, that Trump maintains an iron grip on his base and, just as in 2016, that might be enough to win a Republican primary race in which the anti-Trump vote is split among several candidates.

Wilson, 59, author of the books Everything Trump Touches Dies and Running Against The Devil: A Plot To Save America from Trump and Democrats From Themselves, says: “He controls a quarter, at the minimum, of the Republican base. Even if it’s 15% and he goes into Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, and he wins primaries because he has 15% going in, that’s the ballgame. It’s over. It’s done. Everybody else, it’s all over bar the crying.”

He adds: “Right now they’re all talking so much s**t: ‘I’m not going to get with Trump. I’m going to be with the hot new number, DeSantis.’ When DeSantis gets his ass handed to him, when he gets his clock cleaned in a debate or forum or just by Trump grinding away at him, eating him alive mentally for weeks on end, and suddenly Donald Trump’s numbers start posting up again, all the conservative thinkers who are right now like, ‘We will never vote for Trump again, we have integrity!’ will find themselves some excuse. ‘Well, you know, we don’t like Trump’s tweets, but otherwise it’s pure communism!’

“It’s all BS, it’s all a f*****g game, and that game is going to play out in a way that does not result in the outcome that the donor class thinks they’re going to get.”

Living in the Florida state capital, Tallahassee, Wilson is ideally placed to take stock of the governor, a former US navy lawyer and congressman whose own brand of conservative populism and “anti-wokeness” helped him win re-election by nearly 20 percentage points over the Democrat Charlie Crist.

He says: “Ron DeSantis won an election in Florida against a three-time loser, a campaign that was run by the best Republican party in the country, and I mean that because I’m a guy who helped over many years elect many people in the great state of Florida. The quality of our operation here made it look easy.

“Has Ron DeSantis been to the rodeo? Has he been out there in the fight? Has he actually faced up against a full campaign of the brutality and the cruelty that Donald Trump will level against him? He has not. It’s like he’s walked on to the field on to third base and thought he hit a grand slam home run. It’s easy for Republicans to win in Florida. It’s how it’s supposed to be: we built it that way. In a Republican primary against Trump, even Trump in a weakened state still has an innate feral sense of cruelty and cunning that Ron DeSantis does not have. How does Trump know that? He watched the debate.”

Wilson is referring to a gubernatorial debate in which Crist asked his opponent to commit to another full four-year term in the governor’s mansion; like a rabbit caught in headlights, DeSantis, 44, struggled to answer directly.

“It was nine seconds of the gears moving in his head and you could see the agony on his face, like ‘I don’t know what to say.’ Trump never has a doubt. He may be an as*hole but he never has a doubt. Ron is over-intellectualising it and I’m telling you: this guy has a glass jaw.”

This, Wilson predicts, will become apparent on the debate stage, a setting where Florida Republicans such as Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio struggled against Trump in 2016. “All of a sudden, all that donor money is going to go, ‘Oh, f**k,’ and then they’re going to call Ron’s people and go, ‘Hey, listen, we love Ron but we’re worried. We’re gonna have to sit this one out for a little while. Let’s see what it looks like in a month.’

“And then a month will pass and all of a sudden Donald Trump is the nominee. That’s how it’s going to go and I don’t say this out of any joy; I say this because I’ve just been to this f*****g party too many times now.”

Wilson also suggests that DeSantis may lack the personal touch and knack for retail politics that is crucial in a Republican primary. A recent New Yorker magazine profile noted several people describing “his lack of curiosity about others, his indifferent table manners, his aversion to the political rituals of dispensing handshakes and questions about the kids”.

Wilson opines: “You’re telling me you’re going to send Ron DeSantis to New Hampshire where he has to go and sit in a diner with the Merrimack county GOP chairman and that 79-year-old codger is going to want to talk to Ron DeSantis about the gold standard or whatever and Ron DeSantis is going to sit there and get bored and restless and leave or be angry? I’m sorry. Sell me another fantasy of Ron DeSantis the perfect candidate.


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