11 Dec 2022, 12:37 pm
12 Dec 2022, 3:26 am
12 Dec 2022, 4:59 am
magz wrote:
I found it an interesting question, indirectly asked in this thread: viewtopic.php?t=409591
What is communism?
And does it have any chance of working in the real world?
I think we should start from the utopian slogan:
From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.
Great.
Now: who decides abilities and needs of each commune member? And how?
What is communism?
And does it have any chance of working in the real world?
I think we should start from the utopian slogan:
From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.
Great.
Now: who decides abilities and needs of each commune member? And how?
The pigs, of course.
magz wrote:
Please, no "commies good", "commies bad", etc. in this thread.
Awwww.
No: "Four legs good...two legs bad"?
What a party pooper.
Quote:
The pigs draw up seven commandments which all animals should abide by:
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Appended to these commandments is the mantra or slogan ‘four legs good, two legs bad’, because animals (who walk on four legs) are their friends while their two-legged human overlords are evil. ‘Four legs good, two legs bad’, then, is a political slogan in Animal Farm. Indeed, more than this, it’s a revolutionary slogan. The animals of the renamed Manor Farm – now known as Animal Farm, of course – found their own political ideology, Animalism, which is designed to echo the name (and values) of Communism.
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Appended to these commandments is the mantra or slogan ‘four legs good, two legs bad’, because animals (who walk on four legs) are their friends while their two-legged human overlords are evil. ‘Four legs good, two legs bad’, then, is a political slogan in Animal Farm. Indeed, more than this, it’s a revolutionary slogan. The animals of the renamed Manor Farm – now known as Animal Farm, of course – found their own political ideology, Animalism, which is designed to echo the name (and values) of Communism.
https://interestingliterature.com/2021/ ... -analysis/
19 Feb 2023, 12:54 pm
magz wrote:
MaxE wrote:
As for Communism, in particular Marxism-Leninism, you could say it was a failure but at the same time people who lived in that system did benefit in some ways and some of those people would go back if they could, especially in Germany (where a consensus based cultural tradition may have resulted in greater success i.e. there were people there committed to making it work unlike Romania for example).
I once sat in a plane next to a Polish guy who described life in DDR he remembered.If someone had anything but a car in their garage - the neighbours let the police know and you got raided. If a car was parked that did not park in this street earlier - a denuntiation and an investigation.
Sure it was wealthier and better-organized than Romania or Poland but it was a really stiff police state, at least according to his account.
Similarily, Czechoslovakia was better-off than Poland - but when my parents' friends learned that my father rejected recruitment to the party and still could work as an engineer, they were shocked. It was impossible there. Poland was relatively free at a cost of enormous poverty.
EDIT: removed some of the quoted text.
I saw this and couldn't help thinking about this earlier conversation. This is evidence of some nostalgia for DDR days. My other comment is that German society is unusually consensus based for a European country. Some of what seems shockingly conformist to most Westerners seems less so to a German, in my experience. Germans are far readier to rat out their neighbors or draw public attention to somebody violating some sort of societal rule, irrespective of government. Of course in the DDR this was taken to extremes, I don't dispute that for a minute. Still there's this poster.
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13 Mar 2023, 11:36 am
13 Mar 2023, 11:43 am
MaxE wrote:
magz wrote:
MaxE wrote:
As for Communism, in particular Marxism-Leninism, you could say it was a failure but at the same time people who lived in that system did benefit in some ways and some of those people would go back if they could, especially in Germany (where a consensus based cultural tradition may have resulted in greater success i.e. there were people there committed to making it work unlike Romania for example).
I once sat in a plane next to a Polish guy who described life in DDR he remembered.If someone had anything but a car in their garage - the neighbours let the police know and you got raided. If a car was parked that did not park in this street earlier - a denuntiation and an investigation.
Sure it was wealthier and better-organized than Romania or Poland but it was a really stiff police state, at least according to his account.
Similarily, Czechoslovakia was better-off than Poland - but when my parents' friends learned that my father rejected recruitment to the party and still could work as an engineer, they were shocked. It was impossible there. Poland was relatively free at a cost of enormous poverty.
EDIT: removed some of the quoted text.
I saw this and couldn't help thinking about this earlier conversation. This is evidence of some nostalgia for DDR days. My other comment is that German society is unusually consensus based for a European country. Some of what seems shockingly conformist to most Westerners seems less so to a German, in my experience. Germans are far readier to rat out their neighbors or draw public attention to somebody violating some sort of societal rule, irrespective of government. Of course in the DDR this was taken to extremes, I don't dispute that for a minute. Still there's this poster.
In my opinion germans are culturally inclined towards a totalitarian conception of society. No offence intended, it's just my humble idea.
