Labour to win next UK general election?

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They have undertaken economic mismanagement to a level that has never been seen before in this countries history.

I genuinely think when they are out of office they are going to have to do some serious soul searching as the Party as it is now just is so far from the one that has existed in the past. They have allowed such a unpleasant mob to take over that pretty much all the things they they have proudly of being in the past are claims that they are now howled at with laughter when they try and say it now

'Party of fiscal responsibility'? a decade of catastrophic economic mismanagement

'Party of law and order'? they have cut police numbers severely, crime has risen as a result and their own MP's have been regularly in trouble with the law and their leader was found guilty and fined by the police, something that's never happened to a sitting MP before

'Party of tough on immigration & asylum'? - took us out of the Dublin Convention so Asylum seekers cannot be placed elsewhere, intentional mismanagement of asylum system so as to stoke up divisions and culture wars, idiotic Rwanda policy that was always doomed to fail and is stupidly expense

They are like an extreme version of the Republicans at the moment in the way they have completely lost their identity. What I find very telling is that the 'safe blue seats' in the south are no longer safe. Its been unthinkable that some of these would turn away from the Tories but the polling suggests quite a number now are.

and all of this because of a vote in 2016 which was meant to give them more power and less division

The notion of the Tories “soul searching” invites me to say something very unkind.

I’ll refrain as I’m in a good mood.

“Debt” is the wrong metric to look at.

The only way that “debt” would come down is if the government ran a surplus. That would require even more austerity, particularly in the short term. There would be a lot of misery as a result.

Not all debt is created equal. I think we all recognise that getting a mortgage to buy a house is a good idea, if you want a house and can afford the mortgage payments. Remortgaging your house to buy cocaine is a bad idea.

It makes sense for governments to borrow in a few circumstances. The obvious one is when facing an immediate existential threat like an invasion or a pandemic. Another is the equivalent of a national mortgage. If you borrow to invest, fund infrastructure projects, or fund science and innovation, then you can grow the economy quickly enough to pay off the extra interest payments you need to make. Borrowing to fund social services (with the possible exception of early-years education and some nutritional programmes) will not grow the economy enough to pay for itself, and so is unsustainable.

The Tories have made our debt more sustainable following the 2008 crash. But the issue was never “Labour are spending too much”. It was “the economy has crashed”.

We would be in a better place if the Tories hadn’t cut so much infrastructure and innovation spending. The Green Homes Grant is one particularly topical example.

Labour now 26% ahead in the polls:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... ction#2022

Things are looking good for Labour, but the gap will reduce. If the Tories can convince voters they're only halfway incompetent, then they might still win. Labour has to give clear reasons why they're the best party to vote for, not just rely on current antipathy towards the Tories.

Labour is planning a radical overhaul of jobseeking in the UK by promising to hand major powers to local authorities and turning jobcentres into hubs for skills training and advice for would-be entrepreneurs.

The party is also considering allowing universal credit claimants to undertake far more comprehensive programmes of study and training opportunities while continuing to claim benefits.

The policy is likely to be adopted based on two key reports by Gordon Brown and David Blunkett, which will the building blocks for Labour’s manifesto offer.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/ ... tion_email

Nigel Farage's right-wing Reform party unveils plan to split Tory vote in boost for Labour

Leader Richard Tice says he will field candidates in 600 seats after standing aside for the Tories at the 2019 General Election

He tells GB News’ Gloria de Piero: “We’re going to stand candidates everywhere.

“The Tories have ruined the economy. They haven’t done Brexit properly. Our public services are in a state.They’ve had their chance and they’ve blown it. They’ve messed up.”

Reform UK is now riding at around 9% in the polls and although they are unlikely to get a single MP they could ruin the chances of many Conservatives becoming one.

The party emerged from the ashes of the Brexit Party led by Nigel Farage in 2019. Mr Farage is president of the new group.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... m-28702414

Every time the word 'Farage' is mentioned the Tories crap themselves.

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This article is a little kinder about the Tories' share of the blame, though the source depends on the current government's "goodwill" for their existence, so it's not inconceivable that they've skewed things to the right, and may continue to do so till there's a change of government.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64190440
Nonetheless, the voting public aren't famous for taking mitigating circumstances on board when it comes to passing judgement. It's usually more a case of "it happened on their watch, so let's sack them." I can't see the Tories wriggling out of their problems this time. Trouble is, I can't see anybody else fixing the NHS either. Blair did a bit to help but the economy wasn't quite so bad in those days, and nobody's going to make the rich foot the bill.

If there are still queuing ambulances outside hospitals, massive waiting lists and striking underpaid nurses at the next general election Labour will very likely get in. I voted Conservative for the first time last election to help keep Corbyn out and will likely vote Labour for the first time next election to get rid of the Tories. (I used to vote Lib-Dem until they lost the plot.)

^ I totally support willing to keep Corbyn out.
I hope he stays suspended.

He's had plenty of time to do what needed in order to get the suspension lifted. It suits his attention seeking, narcissistic, personality to not do so.

I have my own reasons to dislike Corbyn but I'm quite surprised seeing Brits sharing my sentiments.
What was that? Being disruptive? Left-wing brexitism? I'm sure Brits don't care particularily much for East European policies.

For me it was two things.
1. Whenever I saw Corbyn in parliament he was always such a naysayer, negativity oozed off him, the sort of guy who would complain bitterly if he won the national lottery. He was so depressing to listen to.
2. Labour party's manifesto at the last election was to give away free money to everyone with no thought of where it would come from. Like the labour party of old when I was a kid, which just threw tax payer's money at everything. Interestingly reflected in the short term premiership of Liz Truss.

At least Starmer seems more stable and sensible. Don't necessarily like the guy, but I think he could do a better job than the Tories have done. They've lost so much credibility over the last few years for various things and grown complacent.

I voted lib Dems first time and conservative for the remainder.

I have no idea who to vote for next time around. Not a single party takes my fancy. I'm deeply untrusting of labours financial policies which always seems to target me despite being working class and the conservatives are a joke now.

I seen labours last manifesto on property and it was horrific. It was just a shameless wealth grab.

Corbyn's labour was vile. If anyone had money in any way, shape or form they were planning on taking it. They had a hatred of "unearned income" which basically meant they were going to target money invested in UK property and shares. It was like he was trying his best to bring the UK into serious financial disrepute. I think they were eyeing up plans for compulsory purchasing of landlord homes too which is of questionable legality.