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The Grand Inquisitor
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20 Dec 2022, 7:37 am

I feel like I'm just screwed. Destined to suffer with this overwhelming desire for romance and intimacy that I lack the means to fulfill. Falling deeper and deeper into this pit of despair, my self-esteem and confidence continuing to waste away to nothing.

I don’t understand why it has to be so hard to meet someone. It breaks my heart and makes me feel so undesirable and worthless that I'm 26 years old and I've never had a girlfriend. Why should it change? What can I even do?

I don't even know where I could go to come into contact with women in their 20s, let alone women who would potentially be compatible with me. Interest groups is a common suggestion, but I don't have that many interests that groups are formed around, and the ones that I do have don't tend to attract many women around my age. Online dating has left me feeling worthless when I've tried it, so I'm not keen on putting myself through that again. The only way I'm coming into contact with young women organically at this point is through the trivia nights I co-host, but those women are few and far between, and opportunities for one-on-one interactions are sparse to non-existent.

Even to the extent that I'm able to put myself out there, my capacity to be more outgoing is inhibited by confidence issues and trauma related to a brutal lack of success in the past that has left me feeling like no one is interested in dating me.

I wish there was somewhere I could go where I could have interested women hitting on me or making the first move. It's really sad feeling lonely and undesirable with no means of getting even a little bit of romantic validation, let alone actually meeting someone.

It feels like the depression, insecurities and subsequent lack of motivation I'm suffering with as a result of this state of affairs is actively making it even less likely that I'm going to meet someone.

I don't see the light at the end of this tunnel, so my mind can't help but be stuck in a dark place.



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20 Dec 2022, 7:45 am

There’s only one solution: chuck the regret, and live your life. Become a better person through education, and a reliance on virtue. Find pleasure in things like going bowling or watching YouTube videos.

Really….can’t think of anything else. All these BS statistics and ideologies certainly don’t help.



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20 Dec 2022, 8:09 am

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There’s only one solution: chuck the regret, and live your life. Become a better person through education, and a reliance on virtue. Find pleasure in things like going bowling or watching YouTube videos.

Really….can’t think of anything else. All these BS statistics and ideologies certainly don’t help.

I appreciate your comment, but the prescription seems to be to keep going about my life hoping that things improve organically on the romance front.

That's largely what I've been doing because I don't know what else to do, and it hasn't come close to producing favourable results. I don't understand why I should expect things to improve, and if things aren't going to improve, then there is no possibility of leading a worthwhile life. The pain I experience from my overwhelming unmet desire for romantic intimacy and acceptance is so strong that nothing can make life worthwhile if it is to persist until the passage of time robs me of my youth.



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20 Dec 2022, 8:24 am

Why aren't your other pursuits "worthwhile"?

I get what you're saying about "romance." I'm not in your shoes, so I really can't criticize you for this reliance on romance over anything else. But I still find it isn't good to prioritize this over all "pleasures" in life.

I'm almost 62, and haven't lost much of my "youth." You have a long ways to go before you lose yours.

I wish I could offer you a magic solution.



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20 Dec 2022, 10:39 am

- Go to The Philippines

- Realize that dating is super easy there.

- Proceed to get a girlfriend within a couple weeks of looking

- Realize your girlfriend doesn't want to have sex until her wedding night.

- Break up with her and sign up for more filipino dating sites

- Hookup with a few girls along the way.

- Meet a girl who you have a lot of natural chemistry with and enter a relationship with her

- 6 months into the relationship you two realize you arne't that compatible with each other and break up.

- Travel back home to the USA.

- You'll then realize that relationships arne't all that cracked up to be and instead of being so fixated on girls, you will be free and more happy.



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20 Dec 2022, 10:57 am

Sending hugs and compassion, TGI.
Did you look into dating support services for autistic people?
I'm pretty sure Raleigh mentioned it's available in AUS.
Have you had any professional help for how to deal with your emotions?
In a worst case scenario if you don't meet someone, I hope you have good mental health care.


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20 Dec 2022, 11:51 am

I spent years after high school isolated with no friends, possibly agoraphobic. I didn't date or lose my virginity until I was 26. I'm 35 now and in my first relationship ever after one year. Before that I had the hopeless "Forever Alone" mindset. I don't know anything about you, but here's my two cents:

- Your situation is really common these days, tons of guys are kissless virgins well into their 20s (myself included). You're not alone, it doesn't mean you're worthless or unlovable.
- Don't entertain negative self-talk. Be kind to yourself.
- If you can afford therapy, go. Don't try to work out your trauma on your own. Other people, and especially a trained professional, can give you an outside perspective you might not be capable of right now. They can give you strategies and insights you might not have thought of.
- Keep using dating apps. OKC, Facebook dating, whatever. Don't do it with the goal of a relationship, just do it for fun and meeting new people. If it doesn't work out and you decide to be "just friends" you might find yourself with more friends. Stay in the present moment. Have fun and take rejection in stride.
- Lower your standards, maybe try giving older women a chance? What matters is that you click.
- Get out there, go on meetup.com and find people who share your hobbies and interests, expand your social circle.
- Learn to be ok with being single. Focus on yourself, take up a hobby or learn a new skill. "Just be confident" is impossible and bad advice, but you can work on yourself and change your attitude over time, and people will notice, it shows. It might even make you more attractive. Again don't do this with the intention of finding a relationship.
- So many other people, men and women, are just as lonely as you are. So many other people are struggling with self-esteem and social anxiety, even if it seems like they have it all together, they don't. People are not paying as closely attention to you as you think they are. They are focused on themselves. I know it sounds counter-intuitive when you are suffering but foster your empathy and try to be there for other people. If you do find someone know that a relationship is a lot of work.
- Get out of the house, get out of your head, socialize and enjoy life without worrying about the future.


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20 Dec 2022, 12:26 pm

Many men and women aren’t “experienced” in their 20s these days.

The 70s and 80s (before AIDS) were the prime “sexual revolution” years. People are way more cautious in the 2020s.

Most women would respect a man who “waits till the right time.”



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20 Dec 2022, 12:52 pm

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I spent years after high school isolated with no friends, possibly agoraphobic. I didn't date or lose my virginity until I was 26. I'm 35 now and in my first relationship ever after one year. Before that I had the hopeless "Forever Alone" mindset. I don't know anything about you, but here's my two cents:

- Your situation is really common these days, tons of guys are kissless virgins well into their 20s (myself included). You're not alone, it doesn't mean you're worthless or unlovable.
- Don't entertain negative self-talk. Be kind to yourself.
- If you can afford therapy, go. Don't try to work out your trauma on your own. Other people, and especially a trained professional, can give you an outside perspective you might not be capable of right now. They can give you strategies and insights you might not have thought of.
- Keep using dating apps. OKC, Facebook dating, whatever. Don't do it with the goal of a relationship, just do it for fun and meeting new people. If it doesn't work out and you decide to be "just friends" you might find yourself with more friends. Stay in the present moment. Have fun and take rejection in stride.
- Lower your standards, maybe try giving older women a chance? What matters is that you click.
- Get out there, go on meetup.com and find people who share your hobbies and interests, expand your social circle.
- Learn to be ok with being single. Focus on yourself, take up a hobby or learn a new skill. "Just be confident" is impossible and bad advice, but you can work on yourself and change your attitude over time, and people will notice, it shows. It might even make you more attractive. Again don't do this with the intention of finding a relationship.
- So many other people, men and women, are just as lonely as you are. So many other people are struggling with self-esteem and social anxiety, even if it seems like they have it all together, they don't. People are not paying as closely attention to you as you think they are. They are focused on themselves. I know it sounds counter-intuitive when you are suffering but foster your empathy and try to be there for other people. If you do find someone know that a relationship is a lot of work.
- Get out of the house, get out of your head, socialize and enjoy life without worrying about the future.



This is a really thoughtful response.

It must be extra hard for autistic people because the advice of "getting out and doing things" is awkward for us at the best of times. Most of us prefer quiet lives and we don't seek out social events. I know I could never "get out there" to look for a partner even if I wanted to. I was lucky to meet mine in a very unusual way. I'm also lucky he was speaking first because if he hadn't, I wouldn't have known how to start a conversation. That's not because of gender but because of my autistic anxiety.


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20 Dec 2022, 3:44 pm

If you REALLY want a girlfriend or simply want to get laid, you need to head to The Philippines. It is BY FAR the easiest country in the world to meet a girl or get laid for white men.

And the fact that you live in Australia makes this route an even more ideal option. You're already (relatively) close by to SE Asia.

Personally, I would go there for a month or two, and casually date, maybe hookup with a few girls here and there. As long as you're honest about your intentions and don't lead anybody on, then I don't see anything wrong with it. But if you're going there for a girlfriend, you will have no problems with meeting a girl. Being white there is such a cheat code. You could have dates lined up every single week if you really wanted to. Just make a Tinder account and you'll get 100+ matches within a week.



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20 Dec 2022, 5:02 pm

As Don Corleone said to his godson Johnny Fontaine on the wedding day of the Don's daughter, "You can act like a man! That's what you can do!"

You are 26. You have so much time to improve yourself and lot in life. Do things that will make you eligible to women. Get a better job, a career, save money. Buy a car and live on your own. Lose weight, get a real haircut and some mature man's clothes. Work out, get fit, put the porn and the video games behind you. Do these things, and women will become interested in you, certainly at a more real level than you are at today.

Stop blaming your autism.

You are 26. Why waste another day?



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20 Dec 2022, 6:10 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Why aren't your other pursuits "worthwhile"?

I get what you're saying about "romance." I'm not in your shoes, so I really can't criticize you for this reliance on romance over anything else. But I still find it isn't good to prioritize this over all "pleasures" in life.

I'm almost 62, and haven't lost much of my "youth." You have a long ways to go before you lose yours.

I wish I could offer you a magic solution.

Other pursuits are overshadowed by the extreme emotional devestation I'm experiencing over my dating problems. Nothing seems worthwhile if at the end of the day I'm going to be burdened with severe depression and triggered by unavoidable reminders of what I can't have no matter what I do.



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21 Dec 2022, 4:14 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
I feel like I'm just screwed. Destined to suffer with this overwhelming desire for romance and intimacy that I lack the means to fulfill. Falling deeper and deeper into this pit of despair, my self-esteem and confidence continuing to waste away to nothing.


Look for friendship.
From friendship can come romance.



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22 Dec 2022, 9:37 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
It feels like the depression, insecurities and subsequent lack of motivation I'm suffering with as a result of this state of affairs is actively making it even less likely that I'm going to meet someone.

I don't see the light at the end of this tunnel, so my mind can't help but be stuck in a dark place.
You have good insight here. I did not have that kinda insight when I was single even thou others kept trying to rub my nose in it. I can def relate to frustration, depression, & feeling discouraged about finding someone. I can also understand your reluctance to try online dating.

I was very desperate for a relationship & what actually worked for me was the opposite of most all the stereotypical advice here & other places. I acted extremely desperate & was very upfront about most everything. I tried lots of ways to meet women & sought out women who had various issues & were majorly struggling with life things. I tried to make sure my criteria & standards were what I absolutely needed & tried to keep an open mind about everything else. I tried to make myself more appealing, relatable, understanding, & sympathetic to women who were majorly struggling with things but were also very sweet & loving. I made myself look like a charity case; someone who caught a bad break in life & was really trying but constantly running in place despite my effort but who also wanted to support & take care of my partner however I could. I know that seems extremely risky but I thought if I was going to open myself up to experiencing a loving relationship, that also meant opening myself up to possibly getting hurt & screwed over. I figured if the latter did happen, I didn't have much to lose since I was very unhappy without a relationship. I was already miserable so I didn't think I could get much more unhappy & hurt. I'll readily admit that me & my gf have LOTS of problems sometimes & I do feel stressed, angry, & hurt at times. But there's LOTS of positives as well & overall I'm alot happier than I was when I was single. Sometimes I have to settle for 2nd best instead holding out & getting nothing & nowhere. Plus things that don't seem that great at 1st can sometimes be totally awesome & sweet 1ce you get used to them :D I'm not really recommending you or others pursue this approach but it's something to consider.


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22 Dec 2022, 11:49 pm

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Sending hugs and compassion, TGI.
Did you look into dating support services for autistic people?
I'm pretty sure Raleigh mentioned it's available in AUS.
Have you had any professional help for how to deal with your emotions?
In a worst case scenario if you don't meet someone, I hope you have good mental health care.

I appreciate your support, Isabella.

As far as I can tell, there's very little in the way of dating support services for autistic people. Certainly nothing I can see that would help me find someone to date.

What Raleigh mentioned was the NDIS, which is a support service for people with disabilities. I should get on it and I don't know why I haven't yet. I guess partially because the process of getting on it and figuring out what support I need to ask for is a bit overwhelming, and partially because I don't want to feel like a disabled person, if you know what I mean.

As for help dealing with my emotions, I dumped my therapist a month or two ago because no progress was being made and I didn't like her approach. I've never had much success with therapists, but that might be because the only therapy type I've had is CBT, and I don't think CBT works with what I need therapy for. I want to try a therapy type that is more about working through emotions and trauma.



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23 Dec 2022, 12:12 am

usagibryan wrote:
Your situation is really common tthese days, tons of guys are kissless virgins well into their 20s (myself included). You're not alone, it doesn't mean you're worthless or unlovable.

That's certainly how it feels. Knowing others are in the same situation makes me feel less alone, but it doesn't make me feel any less undesirable, or better about what I'm missing out on.


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If you can afford therapy, go. Don't try to work out your trauma on your own. Other people, and especially a trained professional, can give you an outside perspective you might not be capable of right now. They can give you strategies and insights you might not have thought of.

Therapy has been wholly unsuccessful so far, but it's only been in the past year that I've realised what I need from therapy, and that CBT isn't a good fit for me.

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Keep using dating apps. OKC, Facebook dating, whatever. Don't do it with the goal of a relationship, just do it for fun and meeting new people. If it doesn't work out and you decide to be "just friends" you might find yourself with more friends. Stay in the present moment. Have fun and take rejection in stride.

I'd try dating apps, but I don't have good pictures to use and I don't have a lot of clothes I feel confident in.
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Lower your standards, maybe try giving older women a chance? What matters is that you click.

I have lowered my standards. I'd prefer to date someone around my age or younger for a few different reasons, but I'm open to dating someone a bit older as well if there's mutual interest there.


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Get out there, go on meetup.com and find people who share your hobbies and interests, expand your social circle.

I've tried that. Finding groups I'd be interested in attending for the activity that also have women around my age in them is difficult.


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Learn to be ok with being single. Focus on yourself, take up a hobby or learn a new skill. "Just be confident" is impossible and bad advice, but you can work on yourself and change your attitude over time, and people will notice, it shows. It might even make you more attractive. Again don't do this with the intention of finding a relationship.

There is no way for me to be ok being single while I've never dated and have no dating prospects. It isn't going to happen.

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Get out of the house, get out of your head, socialize and enjoy life without worrying about the future.

I can't not worry about the future, because if things aren't going to improve then I don't want to be alive. You can't expect someone within the throes of an existential crisis to not worry about the future.