Are NTs/humans becoming more easily offended as time passes?

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14 Jan 2023, 2:55 pm

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Even “communist” states acknowledge that their “communism” is imperfect.

Of course, they paradoxically go way beyond the pale, to the point where the “state” is all-encompassing in people’s lives. A right-wing actuality within a state ideology which is purportedly left-wing.


If I understand correctly, you seem to say that a totalitarian state is a right-wing state. I would argue for the contrary. A totalitarian state is by it's nature left-wing. The first to coin the term "total state" was Benito Mussolini, the fascist dictator of Italy. He wrote that mentioning specifically the Soviet Union established by Lenin's Bolsheviks, which at the time it was newly formed. Mussolini's vision of the "total state" was directly inspired by Lenin's vision of a socialist state, that was the Soviet Union. After all, Mussolini before creating the fascist movement was originaly a syndicalist, another leftist political ideology. In turn Mussolini's concept of a total state inspired be National-Socialist party in Germany (notice the "socialist" part). This two ideologies, Communism and Fascism were the two totalitarian ideologies that managed to actually come to power and implement those practices that make a totalitarian regime. That's how we know what totalitarianism is. And they were left-wing.

Now that does not mean that dictatorships did not arise from the right as well. Franco of Spain and Pinochet of Chile as well as many others in South America and Europe were in fact conservatives, but they were not socialists like the Fascists and Communists were. They did not believe in a total state. And they largely took power in order to counter the spread of Communism. Nationalism is indeed another form of conservatism that shares similarities with the concept of a total state and also it precedes it. Nationalism is the closest the right comes to totalitarianism. But totalitarianism itself has left origins.



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14 Jan 2023, 3:06 pm

Seem to be a lot of different conversations going on here.

Are people getting more easily offended? - IMO, despite the popular narrative, no, people are instead becoming more tolerant over time. You will no longer be killed for being the wrong sort of Christian. Being divorced or gay no longer makes you a social pariah. There are fewer wars and less violence. One big change is that, due to the internet, we are now more exposed to other people's opinions than we otherwise would have been. But once upon a time, we would kill each other over the things we disagreed over, and now we don't, at least not nearly as often.

Is global warming overhyped? - sometimes, by some people, but not in the main. It's an issue that we're probably going to solve through the transition to green technology. I don't believe small-scale pumped water storage is the solution for the reasons techstep has spelled out, but wind and solar are continually outperforming predictions. The main storage technology is probably going to be hydrogen, which complements the projected abundance of offshore wind very well and can also provide us with fuels and fuel cells. I'm optimistic about lithium supplies but we will also need to spend less time driving cars - ideally through building neighbourhoods that aren't car-dependant. Nuclear, if it has a role, is largely about energy abundance after 2050, rather than achieving net-zero.



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14 Jan 2023, 3:48 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Seem to be a lot of different conversations going on here.

Are people getting more easily offended? - IMO, despite the popular narrative, no, people are instead becoming more tolerant over time. You will no longer be killed for being the wrong sort of Christian. Being divorced or gay no longer makes you a social pariah. There are fewer wars and less violence. One big change is that, due to the internet, we are now more exposed to other people's opinions than we otherwise would have been. But once upon a time, we would kill each other over the things we disagreed over, and now we don't, at least not nearly as often.


I like you positive point of view and I largely agree. Yet there is still the matter of "political correctness" and "cancel culture" that most people are mentioning in this thread. We as autistics we are vulnerable because we are more prone to social accidents by saying the wrong things in the wrong context.



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14 Jan 2023, 8:18 pm

Dengashinobi wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Seem to be a lot of different conversations going on here.

Are people getting more easily offended? - IMO, despite the popular narrative, no, people are instead becoming more tolerant over time. You will no longer be killed for being the wrong sort of Christian. Being divorced or gay no longer makes you a social pariah. There are fewer wars and less violence. One big change is that, due to the internet, we are now more exposed to other people's opinions than we otherwise would have been. But once upon a time, we would kill each other over the things we disagreed over, and now we don't, at least not nearly as often.


I like you positive point of view and I largely agree. Yet there is still the matter of "political correctness" and "cancel culture" that most people are mentioning in this thread. We as autistics we are vulnerable because we are more prone to social accidents by saying the wrong things in the wrong context.


Certainly it is true that you can be dogpiled if you say the wrong thing on social media. Sometimes there's justification for this, other times there isn't. But it's a good sight better than being burned at the stake.

I'd also note that many of the victims of "cancel culture" still end up doing okay. Louis CK is doing shows again. JK Rowling's doing fine. Lindsay Ellis (who, unlike the others, absolutely did not deserve what happened to her) is doing okay and still has her book deals.



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14 Jan 2023, 8:34 pm

Yes



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14 Jan 2023, 9:19 pm

Also if there is one thing I'm learning from all this tension in the world today it's that humans of 'different backgrounds' really are incapable of coexisting. Human nature never changes.



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14 Jan 2023, 9:43 pm

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Also if there is one thing I'm learning from all this tension in the world today it's that humans of 'different backgrounds' really are incapable of coexisting. Human nature never changes.

A lot of people, especially the ones who are really bad at sorting things out, are best thought of as a voicemail for their genes. They don't know what they're doing, they don't know why they do what they do, they seem to just know they have impulses, they act on them, they don't get in trouble for acting on their impulses, autopilot works, by that they find a kind of grace with a society that sees self-aware or self-structured people as 'less', so they don't question it (or much of anything else).


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15 Jan 2023, 8:35 am

Minder wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Seem to be a lot of different conversations going on here.

Are people getting more easily offended? - IMO, despite the popular narrative, no, people are instead becoming more tolerant over time. You will no longer be killed for being the wrong sort of Christian. Being divorced or gay no longer makes you a social pariah. There are fewer wars and less violence. One big change is that, due to the internet, we are now more exposed to other people's opinions than we otherwise would have been. But once upon a time, we would kill each other over the things we disagreed over, and now we don't, at least not nearly as often.


I like you positive point of view and I largely agree. Yet there is still the matter of "political correctness" and "cancel culture" that most people are mentioning in this thread. We as autistics we are vulnerable because we are more prone to social accidents by saying the wrong things in the wrong context.


Certainly it is true that you can be dogpiled if you say the wrong thing on social media. Sometimes there's justification for this, other times there isn't. But it's a good sight better than being burned at the stake.

I'd also note that many of the victims of "cancel culture" still end up doing okay. Louis CK is doing shows again. JK Rowling's doing fine. Lindsay Ellis (who, unlike the others, absolutely did not deserve what happened to her) is doing okay and still has her book deals.


That is good news not because I sympathise with Louis CK or JK Rowling but because that means nobody is being burned at the stake as you said. Yet I believe this happened because the recent one or two years there has been a backlash against "cancel culture". This to me is a good sign that indicates some amount of health in society as a whole.



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15 Jan 2023, 8:58 am

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Also if there is one thing I'm learning from all this tension in the world today it's that humans of 'different backgrounds' really are incapable of coexisting. Human nature never changes.

A lot of people, especially the ones who are really bad at sorting things out, are best thought of as a voicemail for their genes. They don't know what they're doing, they don't know why they do what they do, they seem to just know they have impulses, they act on them, they don't get in trouble for acting on their impulses, autopilot works, by that they find a kind of grace with a society that sees self-aware or self-structured people as 'less', so they don't question it (or much of anything else).


It's like NT's are living in a sort of "Matrix" and some of us, being born different, we can just see the "Matrix" and that we are disconnected from it. An autistic person and a sociopath can see each other in the eye and both understand that we "See". It has happened to me. I will go off topic bit, but this reminded me of a story I would like to tell. I once had a sociopath approach me and actually disclose himself to me because as he said, "we are not like them". Since he could see that i was socially mindful he assumed that we are the same. He even told me about the strategies he used in order to manipulate people. He said that he befriends people and then he gets them to tell him their most vulnerable and intimate secrets. Then he said you got them because you can hit them where they hurt the most and therefore control them. Let's say he was not one of the brightest ones although very manipulative. It gave me the chills. What a crazy encounter that was.



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15 Jan 2023, 11:49 am

No. People have always been this way, it's the internet where we notice them. I noticed when I was 19 people are easily offended and it annoyed me then we had to cater to them. No one catered to me so why should I cater them?


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15 Jan 2023, 12:58 pm

Dengashinobi wrote:
I will go off topic bit, but this reminded me of a story I would like to tell. I once had a sociopath approach me and actually disclose himself to me because as he said, "we are not like them". Since he could see that i was socially mindful he assumed that we are the same. He even told me about the strategies he used in order to manipulate people. He said that he befriends people and then he gets them to tell him their most vulnerable and intimate secrets. Then he said you got them because you can hit them where they hurt the most and therefore control them. Let's say he was not one of the brightest ones although very manipulative. It gave me the chills. What a crazy encounter that was.

That makes sense. I'd figure you'll see any community who lives outside the pods handle their awareness of the situation differently. I was listening to Dr. Kevin Dutton on Triggernometry a few days ago discussing psychopaths (both prosocial and antisocial) and it sounds like there's a sorting mechanism there as well. Funny enough we have an in-law whose a surgeon of one of the fields Dr. Dutton mentioned and yeah, he does seem like he does remind me a fair amount of James Fallon (the neuroscientist who discovered by accident that he had a textbook psychopathic processing structure).

The case Dutton was making about pro-social psychopaths is that you do need air traffic controllers, high stakes or high violence surgery, elite military forces, paramedics, and other places where to do the job without trauma one would need to be able to switch their empathy off.


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15 Jan 2023, 10:15 pm

Less. You could get into a shítload of trouble for saying the wrong thing back in the old days.


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24 Jan 2023, 11:01 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
For daily gravity battery storage:
https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculat ... ential.php

Taking an assumption of 7 meters:

30 KWH = 108,000,000 J
J/kg = 9.80665 * 7 = 68.64655
108000000 / 68.64655 = 1573276 kg

Sizing that in gallons and then drums:
1573276 / 3.79 = 415,112 g
415,112 / 55 (g per drum) = 7547.49 drums

That's not going in anyone's back yard or on their roof. What's more plausible, maybe two 55 gallon drums:

3.79 kg * 110 gallons = 416.90 kg
416.90 * 68.64655 = 28618
28618 / 3600 = 7.9494 WH

That's enough to charge a phone once per day. What's left over probably isn't powering an LED for much more than a few minutes.

This is why energy is a wicked problem, it's not easy to solve.

This is where I worry that Nate Hagens 'Great Simplification' is probably correct, ie. that we'll have a system that has to pull back somewhere between 50% to 2/3rds of its energy consumption as fossil fuels become untenable and that'll be a very different world with a very different relationship to energy.


Ok what alternatives do you have in mind? Will freewheel energy storage work? If they could somehow make superconductors work at room temperature for ball bearings.

Pressurized air? Storing compressed air at 3000 psi but somehow some kind of explosion prevention system so it can't explode?

In the meantime we could get off heating and AC and that would help a lot. We could just put underground tubes and then houses could be near room temperature year round
"What temperature is 10 feet underground? The ground temperature at depths greater than 10 feet remains relatively constant through the year. At a depth of 10 feet (3.04 m), the average ground temperature is 75.12°F (23.96°C) in summer and 75.87°F (24.37°C) in winter. How far below ground is temperature constant?"