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05 Jan 2023, 11:57 pm

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Healthy Skepticism.

I find it disheartening to observe how often willful ignorance props up belief in the alleged existence of "paranormal" phenomenon, how such belief exists in otherwise intelligent people, and how quickly those same people will dismiss real-world data on the basis of confirmation bias (under the guise of "research").

Yet, to express doubt in the unsupportable beliefs of others, and to question the validity of their alleged "facts" is tantamount to a declaration of war against the very core of their identities.


Skepticism exists on a spectrum Fnord, Applying the scientific method is the correct approach to extraordinary claims. Unfortunately there is a tendency for many in the scientific community to take extreme positions by debunking claims a) without actually examining the data and b) refusal to acknowledge the possibility of alternative explanations toward unknown phenomena.

If a phenomena is unknown then objecting to a proposed explanation because the premise conflicts with known paradigms is actually unscientific and is called sticking to scientific dogma.

I recommend reading the writings of the former founding head of Psychiatry at Harvard, Prof John Mack or more recently the writing of Prof Avi Loeb the current head of Astronomy at Harvard. These two very brave men can be described as the Galilee and Copernicus of our modern generation. Loeb in particular refers to a colleague who's ego was so fragile about this astronomical event
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua

His colleague said "he wished the object never existed" :roll:



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06 Jan 2023, 12:22 am

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I don't know about socially acceptable vs socially unacceptable special interests, but anything theoretical or academic it seems like is a conversation killer. Acceptable topics of conversation include sports, a TV show or some kind of skill related hobby like guitar, learning Spanish or cooking. No one wants to speculate or pontificate deeper about anything. And if you reveal you're really into say... ANTS and how ant colonies behave, etc, you get weird looks.

I suspect this would not be the case if I built a formicarium. Not as mainsteam as sports or whatever but if I told people I recently built a formicarium and described what I was doing with it, etc, now it's an active hobby and someone could say "hey how's your formicarium coming along?" and I could tell them what I feed them, etc. But they still wouldn't be as interested in ant facts or ants in general.

I feel like some things that are socially acceptable for kids, and are in fact praised because they show scientific interest (space, dinosaurs, etc) suddenly become weird or childish for adults to be into.


So true, so true. Adults dig up dinosaurs and give lectures on them, but unless one makes a living relating to dinos, it IS considered an odd interest. BTW, the study of ants is called myrmecology; toss THAT one out and see what kind of looks you get!

Yup. That's the nature of specialisation, which is what most of us Aspies do. People who aren't specialists in a particular field quite reasonably don't want the hard work of getting up to speed with the subject just to allow one person to share their latest thoughts on it with them. Socialising only works smoothly when the subject matter is the stuff everybody involved is familiar with.

Still, I don't think I'll ever completely let go of my feeling that most people aren't educated enough, that they're too averse to studying things in depth. It's really odd that so many Americans on Facebook reminisce fondly about their schooldays and worship their old teachers, while demonstrating repeatedly that they don't like thinking very much. Meanwhile I remember my school days and teachers with quite a bit of disdain but I spend an awful lot of my life studying and thinking carefully.



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06 Jan 2023, 1:37 am

I also have a tendency to narrow in on things that are ridiculously obscure and specific. For example, when doing research for a character in Dungeons and Dragons, I happened upon the Far Realm infested stars (featured here), basically eldritch entities housed within astral bodies (actually nine stars and one nebula). My interest has broadened to include all of them, instead of only Gibbeth :lol:

I love role-playing, but don’t know many people to do it with. The people I play D&D with (my immediate family and my brother’s girlfriend and her family) are more into strategy than story-telling. My dad is always telling me how bad my character/skill/ability choices are and what would be more advantageous, that doesn’t go with the character I’m trying to make/play at all.


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06 Jan 2023, 1:59 am

perhaps the OP meant less-social interests as well? in my case that is my perseveration [yes it can get to that point often enough] with audio and the finer points of its quality reproduction, recording and restoration.



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06 Jan 2023, 10:20 am

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Extreme specialisation can be a lonely place to live in. Happens to me all the time.



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06 Jan 2023, 10:36 am

^^nobody else seems to "get it."



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06 Jan 2023, 12:25 pm

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I remember having this depressing thought when I was a teenager, that everybody is into their own exclusive box so friendship can't possibly be the intimate thing I'd always hoped it could be. It seems we have to be content with a few scraps when interests happen to overlap. If we manage to consider the other person long enough to avoid unleashing unsolicited and unwanted data-dumping, and to stick to known areas of overlap, that's good, but there's still all this stuff that's screaming out to be shared but can't be.

Maybe everybody in the world should fill in a very long, detailed questionnaire to indicate everything they're interested in and how interested they are in talking and hearing about it, and then run it through a computer so we could all use the program to find the right ear for anything we wanted to share. I like to feel I'm unique, but I hate to feel I'm so unique that nobody knows or cares about what I do or say. It must be nice to be a mainstream NT who can just talk about football, clubbing, prime-time TV, parties, celebrities, fashion, or whatever other matters they have their heads stuffed with, and be confident in the knowledge that there's a huge crowd of stereotyped like-minds to lap up every word.



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06 Jan 2023, 6:42 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
It must be nice to be a mainstream NT who can just talk about football, clubbing, prime-time TV, parties, celebrities, fashion, or whatever other matters they have their heads stuffed with, and be confident in the knowledge that there's a huge crowd of stereotyped like-minds to lap up every word.


From what I've observed, 90% of the special interests expressed on WP overlap with special interests that NTs have as well. So far have not seen any that are "socially unacceptable" in the NT world



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06 Jan 2023, 7:01 pm

I can think of two different bands of "socially unacceptable" interests.

Morally repugnant, physically disgusting, dangerous, "inappropriate" for someone of your demographic group, ideologically controversial....

...or stuff that is considered "harmless but a bit odd" by the aggressively normal, who will mock you for it. Which is where most special interests fall.

(Oddly enough, an obsession with serial killers is downright mainstream.)

About the only ones I have which fit the first group - interest in insects and spiders, and me being a fan of an Italian classical composer who was literally a card-carrying Fascist.


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06 Jan 2023, 7:25 pm

PhosphorusDecree wrote:
I can think of two different bands of "socially unacceptable" interests.

Morally repugnant, physically disgusting, dangerous, "inappropriate" for someone of your demographic group, ideologically controversial....

...or stuff that is considered "harmless but a bit odd" by the aggressively normal, who will mock you for it. Which is where most special interests fall.

(Oddly enough, an obsession with serial killers is downright mainstream.)

About the only ones I have which fit the first group - interest in insects and spiders, and me being a fan of an Italian classical composer who was literally a card-carrying Fascist.


Fair enough re: categories, but not yet seen anyone on WP express a special interest that falls into one of these



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06 Jan 2023, 9:36 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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It must be nice to be a mainstream NT who can just talk about football, clubbing, prime-time TV, parties, celebrities, fashion, or whatever other matters they have their heads stuffed with, and be confident in the knowledge that there's a huge crowd of stereotyped like-minds to lap up every word.


From what I've observed, 90% of the special interests expressed on WP overlap with special interests that NTs have as well. So far have not seen any that are "socially unacceptable" in the NT world

Well yes, there's often some overlap of the subjects, but I think a lot of ASD special interests tend to cone down on small parts of the parent subject.

For example, one of my special interests is music, which probably interests most people, but I don't know anybody else who's interested in how to get a Hewlett-Packard Probook 6465b laptop to record hi-fi sound into Logic 5 while using a Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer cunningly wired to monitor the already-recorded output while also monitoring the sound being recorded without having to use an audio interface apart from the soundboard built into the computer's motherboard. Yet while I was developing that process, I was bursting to share it.

I could translate it into plain English and say that I made a fairly good studio recording system from old bits of gear and programs I had lying around and an outlay of only about $40 for the mixer and a few plugs, and some folks might be impressed that I managed to do that at all, but there's no way of communicating how I did it in a way that would convey in a palatable manner the intricacies of HOW I did it.



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06 Jan 2023, 10:51 pm

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Well yes, there's often some overlap of the subjects, but I think a lot of ASD special interests tend to cone down on small parts of the parent subject. [/quote]

BINGO! Or as I say, "a component of a whole."

Example: I'm interested in fitness, as many people are. But don't get me started on why it's counterproductive to hold onto a treadmill while walking, as this alters natural biomechanics and disrupts the kinetic chain, plus can result in repetitive stress injuries in the hips due to their ballistic action to compensate for the locking up of the upper body while the walker holds onto the machine, and the calorie display is inflated because it's computed based on the machine's settings rather than somehow magically knowing the user's body composition and exertional metabolic rate...

Another example: viewing videos of immediate seizures from head trauma, but NO interest in viewing seizures from other causes like a brain tumor or drug overdose.

Another example: birds crashing into windows and dying, but not anything else pertaining to birds, or even other ways they die like getting hit by a car or pounced on by a cat.

Another terminology for this is "circumscribed interests." Another example of mine (really classic example): When I was 8, I became fascinated by any car trunk that curved up at the end, yet had NO interest in any other part of a car, or cars in general.

I just LOVE how the Autistic brain works!!



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07 Jan 2023, 1:51 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
but I don't know anybody else who's interested in how to get a Hewlett-Packard Probook 6465b laptop to record hi-fi sound into Logic 5 while using a Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer cunningly wired to monitor the already-recorded output while also monitoring the sound being recorded without having to use an audio interface apart from the soundboard built into the computer's motherboard. Yet while I was developing that process, I was bursting to share it.

I could translate it into plain English and say that I made a fairly good studio recording system from old bits of gear and programs I had lying around and an outlay of only about $40 for the mixer and a few plugs, and some folks might be impressed that I managed to do that at all, but there's no way of communicating how I did it in a way that would convey in a palatable manner the intricacies of HOW I did it.


What you call a "special interest" is what NTs call "tinkering". But I take your point, my daughter has special interests that are also subsets of broader interests which she spends > time than normal e.g. geospatial tracking of commercial aircraft (she literally knows every airline/time/departure/arrival time/route. She's visited every aircraft museum in Australia. I thought her knowledge would impress the volunteers at one aircraft museum and was rather surprised to find the older male NTs (in their 60s/70s) all shared my daughter's special interests. They collectively said she's welcome anytime to volunteer with the general public :lol:



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07 Jan 2023, 4:31 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
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I remember having this depressing thought when I was a teenager, that everybody is into their own exclusive box so friendship can't possibly be the intimate thing I'd always hoped it could be. It seems we have to be content with a few scraps when interests happen to overlap. If we manage to consider the other person long enough to avoid unleashing unsolicited and unwanted data-dumping, and to stick to known areas of overlap, that's good, but there's still all this stuff that's screaming out to be shared but can't be.

Maybe everybody in the world should fill in a very long, detailed questionnaire to indicate everything they're interested in and how interested they are in talking and hearing about it, and then run it through a computer so we could all use the program to find the right ear for anything we wanted to share. I like to feel I'm unique, but I hate to feel I'm so unique that nobody knows or cares about what I do or say. It must be nice to be a mainstream NT who can just talk about football, clubbing, prime-time TV, parties, celebrities, fashion, or whatever other matters they have their heads stuffed with, and be confident in the knowledge that there's a huge crowd of stereotyped like-minds to lap up every word.

sounds like many a puter dating algorithm.



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07 Jan 2023, 4:46 am

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I used to have a special interest in "serial killers". I would read every article, whatch every documentary, read every psychological analysis about them. When I would attempt to talk it with friends they would start making fun of me that I'm a serial killer myself, lol.


I have this 'special interest' as well. I don't think it should be considered as 'socially unacceptable' but some people would probably hold such a view, I suspect.


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07 Jan 2023, 9:42 am

cyberdad wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
but I don't know anybody else who's interested in how to get a Hewlett-Packard Probook 6465b laptop to record hi-fi sound into Logic 5 while using a Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer cunningly wired to monitor the already-recorded output while also monitoring the sound being recorded without having to use an audio interface apart from the soundboard built into the computer's motherboard. Yet while I was developing that process, I was bursting to share it.

I could translate it into plain English and say that I made a fairly good studio recording system from old bits of gear and programs I had lying around and an outlay of only about $40 for the mixer and a few plugs, and some folks might be impressed that I managed to do that at all, but there's no way of communicating how I did it in a way that would convey in a palatable manner the intricacies of HOW I did it.


What you call a "special interest" is what NTs call "tinkering". But I take your point, my daughter has special interests that are also subsets of broader interests which she spends > time than normal e.g. geospatial tracking of commercial aircraft (she literally knows every airline/time/departure/arrival time/route. She's visited every aircraft museum in Australia. I thought her knowledge would impress the volunteers at one aircraft museum and was rather surprised to find the older male NTs (in their 60s/70s) all shared my daughter's special interests. They collectively said she's welcome anytime to volunteer with the general public :lol:


I bet your daughter had a field day with the Southwest fiasco. :lol: