"if guns are outlawed only violent criminals will have guns.

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Same here. I saw the news two years ago when a violent militia storned the White House to keep an orange dictator wanna be in power. Land of the free my a$$

this sounds like a thread ripe for inflammation of arguement on gun rights topic ...but . There is A fact that has been growing and growing while everyone sees what the media presents . And this have gotten so outta hand that it is hard not to see people as the Great P.T. Barum did and as he once was quoted as saying a Sucker is borne every minute .
Now that i have potentially pizzed off some folks . PLEASE CONSIDER:
We now have had a huge surveillence systems through out the known world that can literally Monitor "All " Forms of electronic communication and does So .And the system i currently reference is outdated and old . Imagine the current level of technology. Originally thought for tech warfare or inlelligence. But has been used to spy on Americans since at least the 1980s And G.B. and Australia and Germany and N.Z. Called "Eschelon" Something about the
5 eyes network. And obviously was enevitably conceptually to use to stop terrorism . The new systems decript possible code words and analyze any parameters that could imply anything covert or bad for each of those governments .
Recent the shootings in Texas at the school that young bullied adult from that same school even after he graduated
Posted his intentions on """"Facebook """" So what was this system doing when these potential threats occur?????.
And i am referring to a outdated antique system . We now have had satellites that read license plates from outter space that
Cover most of our outter atmosphere . The Question is not about guns but the people whom are controlling this equipment . But yes guns are involved . But the people whom control the space toys . Have much much more lethal stuff, than alot of people can imagine. That they can literally operate from out of this world . And None of this is
Science fiction anymore , for many many years now. But it is Science fact.
If these info snooping government machine ( even for a moment)were to be put to good use the governmental police authorities could interacted and have easily intercepted the boy on his way to that school were the masscre happened. He frickened literally posted it on media, And have read of other in the past posting there intentions before hostile actions took place in real time. Am barely talking about the tip of the technological iceberg here.

Don't tell anyone but my knife is a little potato peeler.

/\I thought you were fixing us all a Charcuterie board.

Oh all right then. Save me some blue cheese.

The right to self protection is a right no different from any other right, like the right to free speech, the right to property, the right to procreate etc. The governments will always find arguments about why those rights should be taken away. For example: the right to procreate should be forbidden for people with genetic diseases, because this way we can eradicate them from the general population, would argue the Nazis. The right to property should be taken because it creates inequality and injustice, argued Lenin while killing everybody that had a different opinion, and so on. We are born with some inalienable rights that God gave us, or call it our natural condition in the universe if you like. The idea that we live in a magical place called "the state" were there is no need for self protection is simply not realistic. If the state has faild to eradicate threats towards you or your family then why should it take your right to protect yourself as you see fit?

In my opinion the right to self protection is a human right and no government has any justifications to take such rights away.

What the heck kinda society does someone live in if protecting yourself = guns required. Wtf kind of awful country or town must one live in to NEED guns to protect yourself ?? Unless we're talking the Alaskan wilderness and it's for bears.

Another possible explanation is that people are just anxious and fearful and there isn't really a threat to their lives that requires loaded guns on hand. I suspect that's more often the case than not. Fear marketing to sell guns.

All of this gun culture stuff South of the border is accumulating to ever bigger problems.. like the fact that gun violence is now the number one killer of children in the USA. It's no longer car accidents - it's getting shot. You'd think that might make some people re-think their thoughts on guns, guns, guns e'erywhere.. and that maybe, just maybe, other countries with some form of gun control Might just be onto something when it comes to public safety..

How about instead having pepper spray, a taser, a baseball bat, a sword, or a BB gun to protect yourself?

How about physical fitness and some martial arts training?

Way better more disciplined defence than the types of things that can get out of hand by escalation or accidents when guns are involved.

My dad gave me paralysing gas when I often came back late as a teenager.
He warned me that it was serious stuff, on his weapon license.
I never used it. Never needed to. The toughgtest situation I was in happened years later, when I didn't have any kind of weapon but I pushed a stroller with a baby - and I was able to... talk my way out. Really. Because the attacker did not expect it and he got confused. Turns out these guys are unimaginable cowards.

That is your idea of how you could protect yourself more efficiently. It is "your" idea about "yourself" and you are entitled to it. You can't impose it on other people though.

It is very difficult to get a military-grade guns legally in America.Only the rich top 1 percent of Americans have legal military grade assault rifles.You have to be on a 1 to 2 year waiting list through the National Firearms Act to buy military grade guns in America.The AR-15 was never used by any military in world history.The AR-15 is a semi-automatic and is not military-grade.Its certainly not an assault rifle.It is the semi-automatic civilian version of assault rifle.No more military-grade assault rifles are allowed to be produced for the civlian market.Legally obtained miltary-grade guns are never used in crime in the United States.A military grade AK-47 prolly cost at least 20,000 to 100,000 dollars in America per gun.

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Nah I would rather have a AR-15 for self defense.

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I gave some thought to the original quote, testing it against my own country.
We have very restrictive gun policy, I think it could be loosened (but not to the USA level! Czechia or Finland would be optimal).

Anyway, in 1990s, it was largely true here. Mostly organized crime had guns and the gangs... shot at each other. Bystanders were mostly safe.
After organized crime got largely reduced here, the ones with weapons are mostly hunters now.

But limiting organized crime requires hard work and adressing various social problems on many levels. Simple slogans like "more guns" and "harsher punishments" don't work, they only feed the cycle of violence.

Yeah.

Sadly, violence can find you no matter how peaceful you are, how much you try to avoid it.