Trump Georgia grand jury sends findings to D.A.

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16 Jan 2023, 1:24 am

why does that remind me of april glaspie?



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16 Jan 2023, 2:04 am

Pepe wrote:
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So? Does that make her wrong?


People with a political leaning are more sympathetic to that leaning.
How do you not know this? :scratch:


Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean the source is wrong.


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16 Jan 2023, 2:18 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
So? Does that make her wrong?


People with a political leaning are more sympathetic to that leaning.
How do you not know this? :scratch:


Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean the source is wrong.


Are we dealing with facts or opinions?
Validated facts are unaffected by political leanings.
Opinions can be. 8)



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16 Jan 2023, 5:11 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
So? Does that make her wrong?


People with a political leaning are more sympathetic to that leaning.
How do you not know this? :scratch:


Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean the source is wrong.


Are we dealing with facts or opinions?
Validated facts are unaffected by political leanings.
Opinions can be. 8)


With Trump, I think we're long past mere opinions of his wrongdoing. Biden is hardly perfect, but I'll take a doddering old man over demented evil.


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16 Jan 2023, 5:43 am

the people who like or at least see no harm in trumpy are the invulnerable types who are too rich/distant to be adversely affected by trumpy's GOP policies. they have "no skin in the game."



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16 Jan 2023, 7:12 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
So? Does that make her wrong?

People with a political leaning are more sympathetic to that leaning.
How do you not know this? :scratch:
And that applies equally to you of course with your right-leaning opinions, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here - if any.


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16 Jan 2023, 8:14 pm

I didn't hear the comments myself, but I would assume Biden slipped and spoke the pragmatic reality, which it is. He should not have. He was, after all, a major reason there is a coalition standing strong against Russia to begin with. Building that coalition was something that happened behind the scenes, and he is much better behind the scenes. He always has been. He has always been a coalition builder behind the scenes who makes blunders in public speaking. And this was a pretty bad one. You don't give away your soft and hard lines to your opponent.

While Zelinksky is correct that there are no minor incursions, there are also no minor responses. Every response escalates wars, and every escalation costs more lives. I don't know how to draw the hard and the soft lines; I hate war beginning to end; but there are few situations on earth where one never needs to be pragmatic and look at a bigger picture.


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18 Jan 2023, 2:56 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
So? Does that make her wrong?


People with a political leaning are more sympathetic to that leaning.
How do you not know this? :scratch:


Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean the source is wrong.


Are we dealing with facts or opinions?
Validated facts are unaffected by political leanings.
Opinions can be. 8)


With Trump, I think we're long past mere opinions of his wrongdoing. Biden is hardly perfect, but I'll take a doddering old man over demented evil.


Tell that to the ppl of Ukraine.
Scratch that.
Despite Biden "inviting" the Russians into Ukraine...
Despite the Biden administration mishandling the Ameeerian economy...
And despite his appalling handling of Afghanistan, I would still prefer Biden over Trump on a number of fronts.
I am simply not comfortable with an Ammmerian President who is in cognitive decline.
There needs to be new blood on either side of the "fence".



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18 Jan 2023, 3:21 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
I didn't hear the comments myself, but I would assume Biden slipped and spoke the pragmatic reality, which it is. He should not have.


Agreed.
My CONSIDERED opinion is that Biden was privately briefed on what AAmmeria's position is, but it was meant to be kept classified.

Someone should explain to Biden what "Strategic ambiguity" means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_of ... _ambiguity

DW_a_mom wrote:
He was, after all, a major reason there is a coalition standing strong against Russia to begin with. Building that coalition was something that happened behind the scenes, and he is much better behind the scenes. He always has been. He has always been a coalition builder behind the scenes who makes blunders in public speaking. And this was a pretty bad one. You don't give away your soft and hard lines to your opponent.


As a public speaker, Biden is a major liability.
Having said that, I seriously doubt Trump would have given any significant support to Ukraine based on what some(many?) republicans are saying these days.

DW_a_mom wrote:
While Zelinksky is correct that there are no minor incursions, there are also no minor responses. Every response escalates wars, and every escalation costs more lives. I don't know how to draw the hard and the soft lines; I hate war beginning to end; but there are few situations on earth where one never needs to be pragmatic and look at a bigger picture.


Biden was obviously sheeting his pants at the prospect of a nuclear holocaust.
But is it too cynical to SPECULATE that the west isn't doing what pootin is saying?
I.E. The west is using Ukrainian "blood loss" to bring down the Russian Federation?

Humanity... :eew:

BTW, I am a political independent centrist who will not vote for ANY political party ever again.
I don't follow ANY political narrative.
I am "The Oracle of Truth", and it is the Truth, not hyperpartisanship, that guides me. 8)