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19 Jan 2023, 4:01 am

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You mean he publicly declares himself a Billionaire, but apparently he has a few hundred Million in cash and tons and tons of debt on the books as well as possibly off the books + all the back taxes he fraudulently hasn't paid and will be on the hook for + all the money NY State is suing to recoup etc etc. Just like the several times he's gone bankrupt before, trump doesn't have the money he claims he does. He just tells you he's worth $10 Billion or whatever and you believe him because of your own very strange trump supporting biases. I guess this is why they say he's a cult leader and has cult followers, as somehow, despite the fact that he's a pathological liar, some people still believe the things he says - including about his alleged wealth.

Meanwhile, in reality, whatever money he does have is about to be completely wiped out by court judgements.


Firstly, speculating about what Trump has is, erm, speculation.
You are simply espousing an OPINION.

Re: Trump's taxes:
Trump lost heaps, and if you understand the tax system, as I do, you will know that you can claim your losses against your income, hence the little amount of tax he has paid recently.

Do I think both Trump and Biden are involved in corrupt activities?
Of course.
Well, they are both politicians, after all, right? 8)



No. It's well known fact that trump lies about his net worth to appear wealthier than he is and climb the Forbes richest people list. It's not speculating at all that he doesn't have what he claims to. It's also quite probable that he has off the books debt.

Trump's taxes: :lol: Have you read/heard any of the details about them? His deductions aren't legitimate.. they're mostly entirely fraudulent. That's why he didn't pay taxes, not because of actual realized business losses.. simply because he said he spent/lost money that he didn't. ~Countless times.

Biden/Hillary/Obama/W Bush/Bill Clinton etc etc are all just regular level corrupt. trumplestiltskin is off the charts.


Anyway, as I said, we can only SPECULATE on how much Trump is worth.

BTW, you are giving the impression that I am arguing against the notion that Trump is inflating his personal wealth.
I'd like to know what I said that made you think that.

To be Klear:
My belief is that Trump is a narcissist who seeks admiration.
I have no trouble believing he is inflating his financial acuity/acumen.
But we are still only speculating about his net worth.



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19 Jan 2023, 4:03 am

goldfish21 wrote:
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Classified documents found in Bidens office... Classified documents found in Trumps office...

Has anyone considered that huge numbers of documents are looked at daily as day to day work that the offices do as part of their jobs and function in your government, and that by nature there WILL be some classified documents. "DUH!" Does anyone have common sense out there or is everyone thick? Of course classified documents are read in a governments office because if they are not allowed to see them then you have departments military or otherwize that become a rule unto themselves and if you have that, then your government that YOU elected has no control over your country.


They weren't found in their offices during work. They were found in their homes/old offices well after their terms ended - and under very different circumstances in each case.

trump absconded with hundreds of classified documents and lied about it for a year and a half while refusing to return them etc etc while Biden had a dozen or so docs some of his people found at his home/vice pres office and contacted the national archives to report and return.

trump's case, especially, had nothing to do with regular business as usual top secret document reading.


You are ignoring the hypocrisy of Biden bagging Trump.
"Ppl in glass houses should not throw stones." 8)



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19 Jan 2023, 4:23 am

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Re: Trump's taxes:
Trump lost heaps, and if you understand the tax system, as I do, you will know that you can claim your losses against your income, hence the little amount of tax he has paid recently.



Oh what fun, a non-tax professional who most likely has never filed a US income tax return or read the US tax code claiming to understand the tax system with specific reference to the US return filed by Trump.

Or am I unaware of your professional history?

I'm sorry, I just can't resist responding when someone writes a sentence like you did, because I actually am a tax professional, with a masters degree, and more than 30 years of experience working with the US tax code. I'm not going to say you are wrong, but that was quite a sentence.

I'll fill out the picture:

Whether or not a loss can be netted against income on a return is not a foregone conclusion. It has to be a loss specifically allowed to be taken.

Most losses reported by real estate businesses are not "real" losses. They are paper losses created by depreciating the real estate which is, in contrast, usually appreciating in the real world.

Then all that gain, which should be realized when the property is eventually sold, can be deferred through a vehicle called a tax free exchange.

Trump's returns are not the first time I've seen someone who holds vast amounts of real estate show zero income while the taxpayer lives large. That Trump's paper results haven't turned by this stage of his life probably requires strongly aggressive action (which various federal and state agencies are scrutinizing), or actual cash losses (which does put a hole in his brilliant businessman claim), but there is a reason we joke that dying is the ultimate tax planning tool. Hold and exchange real estate until you die, and all that gain may never be subject to income tax. It's one the strongest arguments for keeping an estate tax.

What Trump's tax returns illustrate, first and foremost, is just how many giant tax code give-aways he's been able to take advantage of and / or abuse, while all the little people actually have to pay federal income taxes.


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19 Jan 2023, 4:25 am

Pepe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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Classified documents found in Bidens office... Classified documents found in Trumps office...

Has anyone considered that huge numbers of documents are looked at daily as day to day work that the offices do as part of their jobs and function in your government, and that by nature there WILL be some classified documents. "DUH!" Does anyone have common sense out there or is everyone thick? Of course classified documents are read in a governments office because if they are not allowed to see them then you have departments military or otherwize that become a rule unto themselves and if you have that, then your government that YOU elected has no control over your country.


They weren't found in their offices during work. They were found in their homes/old offices well after their terms ended - and under very different circumstances in each case.

trump absconded with hundreds of classified documents and lied about it for a year and a half while refusing to return them etc etc while Biden had a dozen or so docs some of his people found at his home/vice pres office and contacted the national archives to report and return.

trump's case, especially, had nothing to do with regular business as usual top secret document reading.


You are ignoring the hypocrisy of Biden bagging Trump.
"Ppl in glass houses should not throw stones." 8)


The situations are not the same.

Biden's ppl self reported a couple dozen docs. trumplestiltskin refused to return hundreds of stolen docs after multiple requests and subpoenas, so a judge granted a warrant to search his home for them.. then his legal team certified that all docs were returned - and that turned out to still not be true. etc. etc.

How can you possibly suggest that the cases are equivalent?


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19 Jan 2023, 4:26 am

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Both Trump and Biden have at least some corruption to them.

Trump wants to be a dictator. Biden is content with keeping to the Constitution. Personally, I don’t want to live under a dictatorship.



We disagree. I hardly knew I had a President when Trump was in office. I worked, I earned my own way, I paid my taxes, I obeyed the law and I was left alone. I'm not sure what it is you were doing that caused Trump to be so present in your life.

Under Biden, I can hardly afford to get to work (gas), I can hardly afford to eat (groceries), I have no money for anything other than the bare necessities. Biden is constantly in my life, pocket...


I strongly believe that inflation was inevitable following the pandemic. Trump, Biden; doesn't matter who was in office, it would have happened.



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Are you forgetting that Trump handed out more money and bigger tax cuts during his four years than Biden ever did?


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19 Jan 2023, 4:33 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
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kraftiekortie wrote:
Both Trump and Biden have at least some corruption to them.

Trump wants to be a dictator. Biden is content with keeping to the Constitution. Personally, I don’t want to live under a dictatorship.



We disagree. I hardly knew I had a President when Trump was in office. I worked, I earned my own way, I paid my taxes, I obeyed the law and I was left alone. I'm not sure what it is you were doing that caused Trump to be so present in your life.

Under Biden, I can hardly afford to get to work (gas), I can hardly afford to eat (groceries), I have no money for anything other than the bare necessities. Biden is constantly in my life, pocket...


I strongly believe that inflation was inevitable following the pandemic. Trump, Biden; doesn't matter who was in office, it would have happened.



viewtopic.php?f=21&t=411030&start=96#p9216919


Are you forgetting that Trump handed out more money and bigger tax cuts during his four years than Biden ever did?


Than anyone, no? trump added $7.8 TRILLION to the national debt. https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump


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19 Jan 2023, 6:08 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Both Trump and Biden have at least some corruption to them.

Trump wants to be a dictator. Biden is content with keeping to the Constitution. Personally, I don’t want to live under a dictatorship.



We disagree. I hardly knew I had a President when Trump was in office. I worked, I earned my own way, I paid my taxes, I obeyed the law and I was left alone. I'm not sure what it is you were doing that caused Trump to be so present in your life.

Under Biden, I can hardly afford to get to work (gas), I can hardly afford to eat (groceries), I have no money for anything other than the bare necessities. Biden is constantly in my life, pocket...


I strongly believe that inflation was inevitable following the pandemic. Trump, Biden; doesn't matter who was in office, it would have happened.



viewtopic.php?f=21&t=411030&start=96#p9216919


Are you forgetting that Trump handed out more money and bigger tax cuts during his four years than Biden ever did?


Yep, big business did well under Trump because he reduced their taxes to encourage businesses to stay or come back to Ameeria, primarily from China.
An Australian put a billion dollars into Ameriaa as a result, the bastard...
And then got burnt when the Biden administration put the taxes back up. lol

The right wants to lower taxes to encourage business development and provide more jobs.
The left wants to raise taxes so more money can be used for welfare.
It is a win-some, lose-some situation.
Personally, I think capitalism is a greater motivator than socialism.

BTW, I HATE big business, so I am not going to lose any sleep over their lost taxes. :mrgreen:



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19 Jan 2023, 6:17 am

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Than anyone, no? trump added $7.8 TRILLION to the national debt. https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump


IIRC, Biden went on a spender bender, causing massive debt and needing the debt ceiling to be increased.
I believe they are debating this now.
You do realise that, right?

If you have a problem with Trump on this, then you would also have a problem with Biden...
Assuming you aren't employing confirmation bias...



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19 Jan 2023, 3:27 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Are you forgetting that Trump handed out more money and bigger tax cuts during his four years than Biden ever did?


Yep, big business did well under Trump because he reduced their taxes to encourage businesses to stay or come back to Ameeria, primarily from China.
An Australian put a billion dollars into Ameriaa as a result, the bastard...
And then got burnt when the Biden administration put the taxes back up. lol

The right wants to lower taxes to encourage business development and provide more jobs.
The left wants to raise taxes so more money can be used for welfare.
It is a win-some, lose-some situation.
Personally, I think capitalism is a greater motivator than socialism.

BTW, I HATE big business, so I am not going to lose any sleep over their lost taxes. :mrgreen:

False.

trump gave massive tax breaks to the wealthy to line their own pockets - it’s never had anything to do with funding business development. This has placed an unfair burden on the working class to make up the shortfall.

Democrats want to maintain government and social services people have come to expect for their tax dollars.


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19 Jan 2023, 3:29 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Than anyone, no? trump added $7.8 TRILLION to the national debt. https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump


IIRC, Biden went on a spender bender, causing massive debt and needing the debt ceiling to be increased.
I believe they are debating this now.
You do realise that, right?

If you have a problem with Trump on this, then you would also have a problem with Biden...
Assuming you aren't employing confirmation bias...


The debt ceiling was raised three times under trump, as it is under most/all presidents to pay bills congress has approved spending on.

Biden has reduced the national debt, not increased it. Republicans claim to be fiscally conservative but they are historically the party to spend like drunken sailors when in power, then the Democrats have to clean up their mess and pay for their spending when they get back in office. Simply take a look at historical ups and downs of US national debt vs who’s been in power. This is fact.


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19 Jan 2023, 6:49 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
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Re: Trump's taxes:
Trump lost heaps, and if you understand the tax system, as I do, you will know that you can claim your losses against your income, hence the little amount of tax he has paid recently.



Oh what fun, a non-tax professional who most likely has never filed a US income tax return or read the US tax code claiming to understand the tax system with specific reference to the US return filed by Trump.



Settle, petal.
No need to get personal.

This was explained by a trusted biased right-wing source.
The tax system, in this regard, is similar to how it is done in Australia.

Trump claiming losses for tax reduction purposes is old mainstream news.



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19 Jan 2023, 7:13 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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Are you forgetting that Trump handed out more money and bigger tax cuts during his four years than Biden ever did?


Yep, big business did well under Trump because he reduced their taxes to encourage businesses to stay or come back to Ameeria, primarily from China.
An Australian put a billion dollars into Ameriaa as a result, the bastard...
And then got burnt when the Biden administration put the taxes back up. lol

The right wants to lower taxes to encourage business development and provide more jobs.
The left wants to raise taxes so more money can be used for welfare.
It is a win-some, lose-some situation.
Personally, I think capitalism is a greater motivator than socialism.

BTW, I HATE big business, so I am not going to lose any sleep over their lost taxes. :mrgreen:

False.

trump gave massive tax breaks to the wealthy to line their own pockets - it’s never had anything to do with funding business development. This has placed an unfair burden on the working class to make up the shortfall.

Democrats want to maintain government and social services people have come to expect for their tax dollars.


Why are you viewing this from such a simplistic premise?
Reducing taxes to encourage business growth is a very old concept.
Reducing taxes would help the rich bastards, but it also encourages business expansion.
Are you REALLY denying this?

Trump is a narcissist who wants to be luved by ppl.
He wanted to be seen as the person "Who Made AAAmeria Great Again".
These power-crazed ppl want to leave a legacy.

He would have wanted to improve his wealth, also, of course.
Both concepts can survive in the same universe.
I am not saying it happens in all situations, btw.

You seem to be taking a very black&white position here.
Life is made of "shades of grey", predominantly.

And once again, I am no fan of trump.
I am a fan of maintaining an open mind, considering both sides, and searching for the Truth.
I have done that, but you simply refuse to see it.
Not much I can do about that.

I have no "skin" in the game regarding most of Ammmeriaan politics.
If Aameeian politics disadvantage Australia (or Ukraine), THEN I have a personal interest.

As I have said on many occasions, I don't see a republican win a good thing for either Australia or Ukraine.
Are we klear on that now?

And to suggest that the left-wing doesn't engage in corrupt self-interest in addition to social policies, well, that is embarrassingly naive, imo.



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19 Jan 2023, 7:18 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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Than anyone, no? trump added $7.8 TRILLION to the national debt. https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump


IIRC, Biden went on a spender bender, causing massive debt and needing the debt ceiling to be increased.
I believe they are debating this now.
You do realise that, right?

If you have a problem with Trump on this, then you would also have a problem with Biden...
Assuming you aren't employing confirmation bias...


The debt ceiling was raised three times under trump, as it is under most/all presidents to pay bills congress has approved spending on.

Biden has reduced the national debt, not increased it. Republicans claim to be fiscally conservative but they are historically the party to spend like drunken sailors when in power, then the Democrats have to clean up their mess and pay for their spending when they get back in office. Simply take a look at historical ups and downs of US national debt vs who’s been in power. This is fact.


You are obviously not watching the right correct biased right-wing news outlets.
Biased left (and right) wing media sources deliberately leave out the news that is harmful to their respective political narratives most of the time.
How could you not know this?

I think it is time for us to "Agree to Disagree". 8)



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19 Jan 2023, 7:20 pm

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Exactly never is when tax breaks for the rich result in businesses expanding. It simply goes in their pockets.

Trickledown economics is a myth.

If they wanted to encourage business growth they’d give tax credits for investing in machinery, R&D, or additional employees - not big $ cash gifts with some vague suggestion that maybe they use them to expand businesses.

Higher marginal tax rates in the past are what encouraged businesses and wealthy people to expand businesses, not working class taxpayer handouts in the form of corporate welfare that only benefits the elite and screws everyone else.

You’ve been watching too much right wing “news,” and not checking facts, history, or learning anything about economics.


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19 Jan 2023, 7:36 pm

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Exactly never is when tax breaks for the rich result in businesses expanding. It simply goes in their pockets.

Trickledown economics is a myth.

If they wanted to encourage business growth they’d give tax credits for investing in machinery, R&D, or additional employees - not big $ cash gifts with some vague suggestion that maybe they use them to expand businesses.

Higher marginal tax rates in the past are what encouraged businesses and wealthy people to expand businesses, not working class taxpayer handouts in the form of corporate welfare that only benefits the elite and screws everyone else.

You’ve been watching too much right wing “news,” and not checking facts, history, or learning anything about economics.


So much for agreeing to disagree. :roll:

You don't seem to know that part of the reason for the tax breaks in AAAAmerria was to bring back better companies that went to China because of the better profit potential.
Are you SERIOUSLY denying this?

And we, here in Australia, can personally see the effect of businesses increasing job opportunities because they have more capital to play around with due to better tax breaks.
We had an Australian billionaire do just that and invested a billion in Ammmeria for the specific reason of lower taxes, the bastard.
That was a new complex that required Ameerians, not Australians, to be hired, the bastard.

Your black and white view of the world simply does not exist.
There are some benefits in either scenario.
You simply choose not to see it.

You also choose not to see that I am not advocating one against the other.
You still don't get what I am saying.

"Read my lips."
This is NOT a binary "this way is all good, and that way is all bad" situation.
But plz continue your debating point-scoring exercise. 8)

This will be my final post to you on this specific matter.
"Have a nice day." 8)



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19 Jan 2023, 7:44 pm

That’s a lot of words when you could have just said you don’t know.


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