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16 Jan 2023, 8:30 pm

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Both Trump and Biden have at least some corruption to them.

Trump wants to be a dictator. Biden is content with keeping to the Constitution. Personally, I don’t want to live under a dictatorship.



We disagree. I hardly knew I had a President when Trump was in office. I worked, I earned my own way, I paid my taxes, I obeyed the law and I was left alone. I'm not sure what it is you were doing that caused Trump to be so present in your life.

Under Biden, I can hardly afford to get to work (gas), I can hardly afford to eat (groceries), I have no money for anything other than the bare necessities. Biden is constantly in my life, pocket...


I strongly believe that inflation was inevitable following the pandemic. Trump, Biden; doesn't matter who was in office, it would have happened.

The pandemic has made my life miserable, but that is another story. It ranks number one in my life, and that isn't the fault of any political figure IMHO.

But Trump did a pretty solid job messing up my life. My taxes went up. The company my husband worked for was dealt its final death blow by the tariffs (being over 60 in a technical field, that pretty much ended his career; he hasn't worked full time since). My LGBTQ child was losing rights. And the 2017 Tax Act was misery to work with (taxes are my profession). I've always said that it didn't really matter who was running things because my life didn't change much either way, but Trump was the first president to prove me wrong with things that I truly feel can be attributed to him, and not a result of previously built in forces (most of what occurs under any president results from built in momentum, not what they do).

Statistically, a whole lot of things ended up worse off under Trump, and that was before the pandemic hit.

While right now we have record low employment. I understand the inflation is a bear, but it's getting under control, and I personally doubt Trump could have done better.

That is speculation, of course.

And I won't claim Biden is any sort of perfect president. He ran as a place-holder and he should stick to it, and not run again.

Trump shouldn't run again, either.

Who should run is the problem in both parties.


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16 Jan 2023, 8:40 pm

:heart: :heart: :heart:

For all the :ketchup chips: in the bag, the answer for who should run is Dwayne Johnson teamed up with Bernie Sanders. :D


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16 Jan 2023, 8:44 pm

^ Such proposition has me conflicted. I have a long history voting for independents, though I find socialists to be next to unpalatable as a taxpayer.


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16 Jan 2023, 9:08 pm

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^ Such proposition has me conflicted. I have a long history voting for independents, though I find socialists to be next to unpalatable as a taxpayer.


Mostly because you’ve never lived in a country with socialized healthcare & other benefits those taxes pay for so it’s a foreign concept to you to see value in it.


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16 Jan 2023, 9:10 pm

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^ Such proposition has me conflicted. I have a long history voting for independents, though I find socialists to be next to unpalatable as a taxpayer.


Mostly because you’ve never lived in a country with socialized healthcare & other benefits those taxes pay for so it’s a foreign concept to you to see value in it.

I have. Moved to the 'states at age 12.


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16 Jan 2023, 9:11 pm

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r00tb33r wrote:
^ Such proposition has me conflicted. I have a long history voting for independents, though I find socialists to be next to unpalatable as a taxpayer.


Mostly because you’ve never lived in a country with socialized healthcare & other benefits those taxes pay for so it’s a foreign concept to you to see value in it.

I have. Moved to the 'states at age 12.


Guess you weren’t old enough <12 to realize the benefits of living where you used to then.


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16 Jan 2023, 9:16 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
^ Such proposition has me conflicted. I have a long history voting for independents, though I find socialists to be next to unpalatable as a taxpayer.


Mostly because you’ve never lived in a country with socialized healthcare & other benefits those taxes pay for so it’s a foreign concept to you to see value in it.

I have. Moved to the 'states at age 12.


Guess you weren’t old enough <12 to realize the benefits of living where you used to then.

It was socialism with low income taxes that almost nobody paid. Not every country can fund socialist programs solely through export of natural resources. You know that's not sustainable.


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16 Jan 2023, 9:25 pm

r00tb33r wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
^ Such proposition has me conflicted. I have a long history voting for independents, though I find socialists to be next to unpalatable as a taxpayer.


Mostly because you’ve never lived in a country with socialized healthcare & other benefits those taxes pay for so it’s a foreign concept to you to see value in it.

I have. Moved to the 'states at age 12.


Guess you weren’t old enough <12 to realize the benefits of living where you used to then.

It was socialism with low income taxes that almost nobody paid. Not every country can fund socialist programs solely through export of natural resources. You know that's not sustainable.

That's why Canada has branched out into money laundering & becoming a haven for international criminals with very deep pockets! Diversification. 8)


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17 Jan 2023, 10:14 pm

DOJ decided not to have FBI agents monitor Biden lawyers' search for more documents: Sources

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The Justice Department considered but decided against sending FBI agents to President Joe Biden's Delaware home to monitor his attorneys' search for classified documents, two sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.

The detail was first reported by The Wall Street Journal.

Both the president's attorneys and the Justice Department agreed to instead have Biden's lawyers conduct the searches for classified documents, according to the sources.

It was something both sides agreed to, sources said, in part because Biden and his attorneys were cooperating with the Justice Department

To do so, as they did for Trump, prosecutors would have to persuade a federal judge that there's probable cause that by conducting a search they would find evidence of a crime or multiple crimes.

To do so, as they did for Trump, prosecutors would have to persuade a federal judge that there's probable cause that by conducting a search they would find evidence of a crime or multiple crimes.


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18 Jan 2023, 12:52 am

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You mean he publicly declares himself a Billionaire, but apparently he has a few hundred Million in cash and tons and tons of debt on the books as well as possibly off the books + all the back taxes he fraudulently hasn't paid and will be on the hook for + all the money NY State is suing to recoup etc etc. Just like the several times he's gone bankrupt before, trump doesn't have the money he claims he does. He just tells you he's worth $10 Billion or whatever and you believe him because of your own very strange trump supporting biases. I guess this is why they say he's a cult leader and has cult followers, as somehow, despite the fact that he's a pathological liar, some people still believe the things he says - including about his alleged wealth.

Meanwhile, in reality, whatever money he does have is about to be completely wiped out by court judgements.


Firstly, speculating about what Trump has is, erm, speculation.
You are simply espousing an OPINION.

Re: Trump's taxes:
Trump lost heaps, and if you understand the tax system, as I do, you will know that you can claim your losses against your income, hence the little amount of tax he has paid recently.

Do I think both Trump and Biden are involved in corrupt activities?
Of course.
Well, they are both politicians, after all, right? 8)



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18 Jan 2023, 12:55 am

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As long as the same thing happens to Biden, I'm good with that.


Politicians on both sides have an abundance of "Teflon Shares".



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18 Jan 2023, 1:15 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Both Trump and Biden have at least some corruption to them.

Trump wants to be a dictator. Biden is content with keeping to the Constitution. Personally, I don’t want to live under a dictatorship.



We disagree. I hardly knew I had a President when Trump was in office. I worked, I earned my own way, I paid my taxes, I obeyed the law and I was left alone. I'm not sure what it is you were doing that caused Trump to be so present in your life.

Under Biden, I can hardly afford to get to work (gas), I can hardly afford to eat (groceries), I have no money for anything other than the bare necessities. Biden is constantly in my life, pocket...


:lol: :chin:

trumpty inherited Obama's decent economy.

Biden administration is dealing with global fallout from a pandemic, not localized inflation in the USA only caused by the current administration's policies.

You're placing both credit and blame where they don't belong.


Firstly, Trump built on the foundation of what was done under Obama.
Many of the poorest workers received greater wage rises per percentage under Trump.
(How ironic.)
THAT is a good thing.

Secondly, yes, international economies have been hurt by the Wuhan Virus.
The problem is Democratic policies have added to the problem.
Massive spending has aggravated interest rate rises, and the cancelling of the pipeline from Canada, and the cancelling of fracking licenses on government-owned land have exacerbated the petrol/energy price problem.

And you, my fiend friend, seem to be engaging in "Conformation Bias" and "Binary Thinking".
It must stop because I say so. :mrgreen:



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18 Jan 2023, 1:18 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Both Trump and Biden have at least some corruption to them.

Trump wants to be a dictator. Biden is content with keeping to the Constitution. Personally, I don’t want to live under a dictatorship.



We disagree. I hardly knew I had a President when Trump was in office. I worked, I earned my own way, I paid my taxes, I obeyed the law and I was left alone. I'm not sure what it is you were doing that caused Trump to be so present in your life.

Under Biden, I can hardly afford to get to work (gas), I can hardly afford to eat (groceries), I have no money for anything other than the bare necessities. Biden is constantly in my life, pocket...


I strongly believe that inflation was inevitable following the pandemic. Trump, Biden; doesn't matter who was in office, it would have happened.



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18 Jan 2023, 4:07 am

Pepe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:

You mean he publicly declares himself a Billionaire, but apparently he has a few hundred Million in cash and tons and tons of debt on the books as well as possibly off the books + all the back taxes he fraudulently hasn't paid and will be on the hook for + all the money NY State is suing to recoup etc etc. Just like the several times he's gone bankrupt before, trump doesn't have the money he claims he does. He just tells you he's worth $10 Billion or whatever and you believe him because of your own very strange trump supporting biases. I guess this is why they say he's a cult leader and has cult followers, as somehow, despite the fact that he's a pathological liar, some people still believe the things he says - including about his alleged wealth.

Meanwhile, in reality, whatever money he does have is about to be completely wiped out by court judgements.


Firstly, speculating about what Trump has is, erm, speculation.
You are simply espousing an OPINION.

Re: Trump's taxes:
Trump lost heaps, and if you understand the tax system, as I do, you will know that you can claim your losses against your income, hence the little amount of tax he has paid recently.

Do I think both Trump and Biden are involved in corrupt activities?
Of course.
Well, they are both politicians, after all, right? 8)



No. It's well known fact that trump lies about his net worth to appear wealthier than he is and climb the Forbes richest people list. It's not speculating at all that he doesn't have what he claims to. It's also quite probable that he has off the books debt.

Trump's taxes: :lol: Have you read/heard any of the details about them? His deductions aren't legitimate.. they're mostly entirely fraudulent. That's why he didn't pay taxes, not because of actual realized business losses.. simply because he said he spent/lost money that he didn't. ~Countless times.

Biden/Hillary/Obama/W Bush/Bill Clinton etc etc are all just regular level corrupt. trumplestiltskin is off the charts.


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18 Jan 2023, 4:14 am

Classified documents found in Bidens office... Classified documents found in Trumps office...

Has anyone considered that huge numbers of documents are looked at daily as day to day work that the offices do as part of their jobs and function in your government, and that by nature there WILL be some classified documents. "DUH!" Does anyone have common sense out there or is everyone thick? Of course classified documents are read in a governments office because if they are not allowed to see them then you have departments military or otherwize that become a rule unto themselves and if you have that, then your government that YOU elected has no control over your country.


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18 Jan 2023, 4:27 am

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Classified documents found in Bidens office... Classified documents found in Trumps office...

Has anyone considered that huge numbers of documents are looked at daily as day to day work that the offices do as part of their jobs and function in your government, and that by nature there WILL be some classified documents. "DUH!" Does anyone have common sense out there or is everyone thick? Of course classified documents are read in a governments office because if they are not allowed to see them then you have departments military or otherwize that become a rule unto themselves and if you have that, then your government that YOU elected has no control over your country.


They weren't found in their offices during work. They were found in their homes/old offices well after their terms ended - and under very different circumstances in each case.

trump absconded with hundreds of classified documents and lied about it for a year and a half while refusing to return them etc etc while Biden had a dozen or so docs some of his people found at his home/vice pres office and contacted the national archives to report and return.

trump's case, especially, had nothing to do with regular business as usual top secret document reading.


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