Alec Baldwin charged with Involuntary Manslaughter

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19 Jan 2023, 1:20 pm

Alec Baldwin to be charged in 'Rust' film shooting

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Actor Alec Baldwin faces involuntary manslaughter charges in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins during the 2021 filming of Western "Rust" in New Mexico.

Santa Fe's top prosecutor Mary Carmack-Altwies said in a statement Thursday that the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, would also face involuntary manslaughter charges.

Hutchins' family welcomed the announcement. In a statement, Baldwin attorney Luke Nikas said, "this decision distorts Halyna Hutchins' tragic death and represents a terrible miscarriage of justice."

The announcement followed more than a year of investigation after a pistol was fired in October 2021 as Baldwin, 64, was rehearsing with it on the set of his movie "Rust" outside Santa Fe.

Prosecutors must prove on-set firearm safety began with Gutierrez Reed, who was in charge of weapons; applied to Halls, who checked the gun and handed it to Baldwin, then extended to the actor, who also was a producer on the film.

Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will be charged “in the alternative” with two counts of manslaughter, meaning a jury will decide not only if they were guilty, but under which definition of involuntary manslaughter, the prosecutor said.

Simple involuntary manslaughter for negligence is punishable by up to 18 months in jail and a $5,000 fine. Should prosecutors prove there was more than simple negligence involved in the use of a firearm, they could face a five-year jail term.


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19 Jan 2023, 1:28 pm

Very strange, did mr.baldwin have a beef with halyna Hutchins?



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19 Jan 2023, 3:33 pm

I feel he really didn’t know it was a loaded gun.

He should have been more careful….but I don’t believe this rises to criminal conduct.



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19 Jan 2023, 3:38 pm

Why the f would they have a loaded gun on set, and why would anyone play around with any gun?

Not to mention the fact the handler was deemed negligent.

RIP Ms Hutchins


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19 Jan 2023, 3:40 pm

Baldwin thought the gun was a prop.

He didn’t know a loaded gun was bought onto the set.

He should have checked to verify, though.



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19 Jan 2023, 3:44 pm

I assume this is the Hutchens family launching litigation on the assumption Halyna's death was preventable and that ultimately Baldwin was legally responsible for a safe working environment.



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19 Jan 2023, 3:47 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Baldwin thought the gun was a prop.

He didn’t know a loaded gun was bought onto the set.

He should have checked to verify, though.


And it shouldn't have been accessible to him in the first place.
I'm sure he didn't intend to shoot her or anyone, but he knew it was "a real gun" whether loaded or not.
They wouldn't have an armorer on set if it was a prop.


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19 Jan 2023, 6:28 pm

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I assume this is the Hutchens family launching litigation on the assumption Halyna's death was preventable and that ultimately Baldwin was legally responsible for a safe working environment.


The lawyers will sort it out. 8)


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19 Jan 2023, 6:30 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Baldwin thought the gun was a prop.

He didn’t know a loaded gun was bought onto the set.

He should have checked to verify, though.


And it shouldn't have been accessible to him in the first place.
I'm sure he didn't intend to shoot her or anyone, but he knew it was "a real gun" whether loaded or not.
They wouldn't have an armorer on set if it was a prop.


I was under the impression that a functional gun is needed to fire blanks. also.


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19 Jan 2023, 6:31 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Baldwin thought the gun was a prop.

He didn’t know a loaded gun was bought onto the set.

He should have checked to verify, though.


And it shouldn't have been accessible to him in the first place.
I'm sure he didn't intend to shoot her or anyone, but he knew it was "a real gun" whether loaded or not.
They wouldn't have an armorer on set if it was a prop.


They likely would have an armorer on set, given how often real guns with blanks are used as props.


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19 Jan 2023, 6:35 pm

Was it supposed to be loaded at any point in the movie?


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19 Jan 2023, 6:37 pm

Start pistols for sports do not need a finished barrel to fire starting blanks. It was a thing in UK for many years where criminals would buy start pistols and machine out the barrels to fire live ammunition. Those are generally considered to not be safe to fire for the pressures developed by live ammunition.



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19 Jan 2023, 6:38 pm

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Was it supposed to be loaded at any point in the movie?


Yes, but with blanks, of course.


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19 Jan 2023, 6:38 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Was it supposed to be loaded at any point in the movie?

Can be. It's the cinematographer's choice.



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19 Jan 2023, 6:39 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Was it supposed to be loaded at any point in the movie?


It might be, because if you need to shoot a shot where it's being loaded you might need to load it with real ammo.

There needs to be a chain of custody and responsibility after that has occurred though, a failure of this sort is negligent. Live rounds should be removed ASAP once the shot that requires them is over and the armorer would be responsible for ensuring that (afaik).


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19 Jan 2023, 6:43 pm

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It might be, because if you need to shoot a shot where it's being loaded you might need to load it with real ammo.

There's a common supplier for the film industry that makes dummy ammunition. It contains no propellant inside.

The case often also has a little hole drilled in the side of it to clearly distinguish it from live ammunition.