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would you want to drive a tank into battle
have confidence in Armoured vehicles? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Missiles are not a issue? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Leave town? 13%  13%  [ 1 ]
Punch a hole in the fuel tank,so cannot fight? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Eat ice cream from a long distance away? 25%  25%  [ 2 ]
Get a different job ? 13%  13%  [ 1 ]
hide under a Rock? 50%  50%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 8

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31 Jan 2023, 6:06 am

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And Prussia has existed (as a full kingdom) since 1701. Prussia is a considerable portion of modern Germany.

Many German principalities/states have existed since at least medieval times.

The Iron Cross, and the Maltese Cross, are German symbols. Not Nazi symbols. Indeed the Maltese cross was...Maltese before it was German. Both were used by the Kaiser in the First World War (on the Red Baron's plane) and probably used in the Napoleonic wars.

Actual "Prussia" is no longer part of Germany. Actual Prussia, or "East Prussia" is divided between Poland, and the Russian Republic (inherited from the USSR). Its most important city, "Konigsburg", has been "Kalingrad" since WWII.

Prussia had a doubly ironic role in German history. Originally Prussians were a seperate people from the Germans, and spoke a Baltic language related to Latvian, and Lithuanian.

Then they were conquered by the Teutonic Knights. And the name "Prussia" vanished from the map.

The place got filled up merchants from western Europe, including Germany, and only then in the late Middle Ages did it become assimilated culturally into the German realm, and language.

Then the Prussian name was revived for the region when it became a German speaking kingdom. Frederick the Great of Prussia was a major player in the wars of Napoleon. Prussia gradually gobbled up its german neighboring states (like Pomerania, and Silesia) and Prussia even leapfrogged across Germany to seize an area on the Rhine. Then finally Bismark engineered the final unification of Germany under Prussian guidance in 1870.

Dial ahead to 1939. Hitler and Stalin agree to carve up Poland like pizza pie. They both invade Poland. Germany conquered the western portion, and the Soviets the eastern slices. This kicks off WWII. Germany looses WWII. But the Soviets keep what they seized from Poland, BUT they give Poland Prussia, and most of Pomerania and Silesia, making Russia fatter, Germany smaller, and Poland the same size (but jumping west on the map at the expense of Germany between pre war and post war maps).

So Prussia was NOT originally German, but later not only became one of the feuding german states it eventually unified Germany under its domination, but it's now... severed FROM Germany. :lol:
For the sake of completeness: Královec je český :lol:


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31 Jan 2023, 8:13 am

I just googled that ^.

Apparently it's an Internet meme, and a local Czech Republic joke, but it would make sense. Or at least it wouldnt be any more ridiculous than the current set up: to Give the Czech Republic ownership of the Kaliningrad Oblast ( that silly little sliver of land between Lithuania and Poland that remains in the hands of Russia even though it's seperated from the rest of Russia after the breakup of the USSR and of the Soviet Bloc...that was for centuries a contiguous part of Germany (but is now seperated from the rest of Germany by hundreds of miles of Polish coast). Apparently the town of "King's Hill" (Konigsberg) was founded centuries ago by a king of Bohemia (now the Czech Republic). And right now the Czechs dont have any seaports.

Sorry. Left a syllable out of Kaliningrad!



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31 Jan 2023, 8:21 am

Yep... history of Europe is tangled and there's hardly a patch of land that didn't belong to three or four different "nations" at some point.
That's why claims for "historical borders" are a horrible can of worms here and the alternative of "opening borders instead of moving them" has so much support.


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31 Jan 2023, 8:35 am

Fun fact:

In his play "A Winter's Tale" Shakespeare refers to "the faraway shores of Bohemia". :lol:

If the Bard were alive today...you could sell him "beachfront property in Nebraska", or "in the Czech Republic".

Or not. We dont know whether he wrote that on purpose to be fanciful, or really had that big a gap in his formal education and really thought that the forerunner of the modern Czech Republic had a coastline.

But if they ever do restore Konigsberg to its ...rightful...Bohemian hands... it would probably please the ghost of Shakespeare! :D



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31 Jan 2023, 8:45 am

A prophet! :mrgreen:


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