Christian but not feeling anything at times.

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11 Feb 2023, 11:58 pm

i've written and rewritten this post a million times just to word it right. i'm wondering if you guys can relate to appreciating spirituality (i'm Christian) but feeling left out when you don't feel emotional like everyone else. i'm pentecostal and though i've had wonderful experiences...for the most part i'm just participating manually. i'm sincere, but i can tell when almost everyone in the church is crying (usually over a modern worship song that i cannot stand) and i'm absolutely unmoved. i don't feel like withdrawing, i'm happy to be there, i'm just like out of the emotional loop. i have enough of a relationship with God to just love Him inspite of how i feel, but it would be good to know if others can relate. infact, i cry more over well written and orchestrated songs. does neurodiversity come into play, you think? i think it does because its not a bad feeling. and i'm trying to over analyze everything to be autism/adhd but this has been a huge part of my life. and i'm pretty much embracing it. just thought i'd ask



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12 Feb 2023, 2:22 am

I'm a Lutheran, and my faith isn't dependent on feeling any sort of ecstatic experience. Rather, I put my trust in what Christ has done, not on my emotional response. If I display a response to God's free gift of salvation, it's by reciprocating his love by loving my neighbor.


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12 Feb 2023, 2:30 am

BreathlessJade wrote:
i've written and rewritten this post a million times just to word it right. i'm wondering if you guys can relate to appreciating spirituality (i'm Christian) but feeling left out when you don't feel emotional like everyone else. i'm pentecostal and though i've had wonderful experiences...for the most part i'm just participating manually. i'm sincere, but i can tell when almost everyone in the church is crying (usually over a modern worship song that i cannot stand) and i'm absolutely unmoved. i don't feel like withdrawing, i'm happy to be there, i'm just like out of the emotional loop. i have enough of a relationship with God to just love Him inspite of how i feel, but it would be good to know if others can relate. infact, i cry more over well written and orchestrated songs. does neurodiversity come into play, you think? i think it does because its not a bad feeling. and i'm trying to over analyze everything to be autism/adhd but this has been a huge part of my life. and i'm pretty much embracing it. just thought i'd ask


Actually it always seemed to me that Pentacostalism is the worst "fit" for autistics because its all about hysterionic emotional acting out in a group. Autistics are better suited to quiet meditative sects like Quakerism, or to faiths obsessed with the written word (like Fundamentalism, or to Judaism. or even to mainline Protestantism).



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12 Feb 2023, 8:08 am

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Good point!

Maybe the OP should consider exploring other denominations to find a better fit.

If I were a Christian, I don’t think I would enjoy being a Pentecostal. It would just be too much. I know a bit about them because my uncle is one or was one before he went to prison. I’m not sure if he still identifies or not.

He won’t have an opportunity to go back to his old church for a LONG time.

ANYWAY, sometimes people think those feelings are proof that a group has God’s Spirit, but the truth of the matter is that other religious groups have similar experiences - both within Christianity and outside of it.



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12 Feb 2023, 8:46 am

You don’t have to be emotive in your worship for God (if He exists) to note your worship of Him.

He is “all knowing,” after all.



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12 Feb 2023, 12:35 pm

yeah ive been to loads of churches and i would agree with the above.
I have listened to and sung christian songs like the ones from hillsong in my spare time and cried with the 'God's spirit' feeling.
I think it only happened once in the pentecostal church, but that was a special occasion over which i had no control. That was one time in about a year and a half.



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12 Feb 2023, 2:19 pm

I guess you're just not the emotionally-infectable type. Pentecostal services depend on quite a lot of emotional contagion, so you're probably just not a suitable target for what they try to do to people. I'm not very emotionally-infectable either, but being secular I don't expect to get anything from going to church anyway. I notice how different I am if I go to a concert by a famous, revered performer. It seems everybody else is picking up on this vibe that the act is transmitting, and getting taken through an emotional peak, while I'm just sitting there responding to each song according to my own internal compass, so I'm on a different plane. There's a bit of infectability in my mix, but nothing like as much as I see being expressed by a typical audience.

Anyway I wouldn't worry about it. Emotionally-infectable people can be dangerously open to being manipulated, and I think it's unusual that an infector is genuinely doing it for the good of the receivers. I think that more often than not they're just after something for themselves, e.g. sales people who use that kind of thing to artificially inflate demand for whatever they're selling, so that folks end up buying what they don't really want.



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13 Feb 2023, 11:40 pm

thank you all for your input. my church is pentecostal but besides the emotional aspect, it's very grounded in Biblical teaching. I'm happy to attend there, but i'm learning much of what you're saying. i suppose i just wonder if it's my lack of depth and i'm seeing it could be a neurodiverse element of my life. i used to feel left out, but after learning about myself, i don't. in fact, i'm seeing so many things about my life i used to think were problematic but just turned out to be the way i process things.



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13 Feb 2023, 11:44 pm

I really don’t think that you are the problem here. Perhaps you don’t get emotional because you are more of a thinking person than a feelings person. There’s nothing wrong with that!

Other Christian denominations use the Bible just as much as Pentecostals do. I would consider shopping around.



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15 Feb 2023, 6:51 pm

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. . . Pentecostalism is the worst "fit" for autistics because it's all about histrionic emotional acting out in a group. . .
^ THIS.

Christianity is not all about shouting, babbling, and falling down in twitchy fits just to show others how great a Christian you are. Nor is it about condemning others for their alleged sins.

Christianity is about your personal faith-based relationship with God through Jesus (". . . the Way, the Truth, and the Life").

It is also about doing things to spread the Gospel and help others.

@OP: Read the Gospels for yourself, and do not let those hate-filled, angry conservatives do your thinking for you.


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15 Feb 2023, 7:11 pm

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I think that people sometimes take that bizarre behavior and apparent strong emotion as proof that their faith is true because they think: why else would people behave this way?

The reality is that people behave strangely and feel strongly in many different religious communities - both inside and outside of Christianity.



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15 Feb 2023, 7:28 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
I think that people sometimes take that bizarre behavior and apparent strong emotion as proof that their faith is true because they think: why else would people behave this way?

The reality is that people behave strangely and feel strongly in many different religious communities - both inside and outside of Christianity.
I have seen individuals marching down the middle of a busy road in Nairobi, beating drums, and singing hymns. I have seen Hindu fakirs pierce their flesh with long needles while laughing and eating rice. I have seen people handle copperhead snakes in Appalachia and brag about not being bit.

Why?

So that they could 'prove' that their faith was stronger than anyone else's AND so that they could 'prove' that THEY were better than anyone else.

Foolish pride and vanity.  Only this, and nothing more.


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15 Feb 2023, 7:40 pm

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I have seen Hindu fakirs pierce their flesh with long needles while laughing and eating rice.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking about.

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I have seen people handle copperhead snakes in Appalachia and brag about not being bit
I was dragged along to preach to a guy like that when I was visiting relatives in Appalachia. He was sleeping under the cap of a truck up this long, dirt lane. In retrospect, my mom and aunt were probably even crazier than that poor soul because they were in charge of four small children, including myself. Seeking converts is all about pride, too.

The guy was wearing no shirt and there was a gun visible. He probably just used it to hunt squirrels, but still, one never knows. He ranted and raved about snakes and Jesus. Apparently, Jesus saved him from being bit or some nonsense like that.



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15 Feb 2023, 8:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I think that people sometimes take that bizarre behavior and apparent strong emotion as proof that their faith is true because they think: why else would people behave this way?

The reality is that people behave strangely and feel strongly in many different religious communities - both inside and outside of Christianity.
I have seen individuals marching down the middle of a busy road in Nairobi, beating drums, and singing hymns. I have seen Hindu fakirs pierce their flesh with long needles while laughing and eating rice. I have seen people handle copperhead snakes in Appalachia and brag about not being bit.

Why?

So that they could 'prove' that their faith was stronger than anyone else's AND so that they could 'prove' that THEY were better than anyone else.

Foolish pride and vanity.  Only this, and nothing more.


I recall JC having said something about not to be like the hypocrites who pray loudly in the streets, or who make faces to show how they're fasting.


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17 Feb 2023, 12:22 am

The human species is in a weird position of being one of the few animals smart enough to know we are going to die.

To keep us from losing our minds, we've evolved a "circuit breaker" around death. We perceive death as something that happens to other people. We've also invented religion to tell us that it won't actually happen to us, even when it actually does.

If it gives you comfort, go for it. But most religious people are doing it out of social or family pressure. Remember that no major religion got to its "major religion" status without killing a lot of people. Christianity and Islam both had periods where they forced people to convert. They knew by doing this, it would eventually become custom and the bulk of people would go along rather than risk social ostracism.

Anyone that thinks they know what happens after you die is a narcissist trying to get power over you. We fear nothingness, and our only data point for after death is what before life was like - and thats nothing. It scares us.

Again, it is entirely possible that when we die there's some sort of reckoning. I hope its true - I'd gladly submit myself to eternal judgement if that means Adolf Hitler gets it too. But I'd say the data we do has shows that for most of this universe's existence, you will be non existing.

Cherish life, and make the best of it. It's all we know for sure we have.

I grew up Catholic, and spent a significant amount of time in Bible study as a protestant as well when I wanted to marry a Baptist. Numbers 31 is an awful, awful story that opened me eyes. How could that be God? Seems to me like the Hebrew God was just an excuse for Jewish nationalism.



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17 Feb 2023, 8:29 am

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I grew up Catholic, and spent a significant amount of time in Bible study as a protestant as well when I wanted to marry a Baptist. Numbers 31 is an awful, awful story that opened me eyes. How could that be God? Seems to me like the Hebrew God was just an excuse for Jewish nationalism.
That passage and others were an important part of my waking up process, too. I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness.