Mike Tyson VS Bruce Lee - Who Would ACTUALLY Win?

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23 Feb 2023, 12:40 pm



Just for fun, but Iron Mike.


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23 Feb 2023, 3:37 pm

Mike Tyson hands down.

Mike Tyson is so tough he once tried to fight a silverback gorrilla in a zoo. True story



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23 Feb 2023, 3:40 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Mike Tyson hands down.

Mike Tyson is so tough he once tried to fight a silverback gorrilla in a zoo. True story

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23 Feb 2023, 3:48 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Mike Tyson is so tough he once tried to fight a silverback gorrilla in a zoo. True story


The video mentioned that. :lol:

Although I'd replace tough with game.
One can be very game and not especially tough. Gameness is more like a willingness to get into physically threatening/violent situations and sustain engagement even after being hurt or even if the risks are incredibly high.

How much fighting spirit one possesses, might be a good way of putting it.




These cats are more game than Mike Tyson. :lol:


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23 Feb 2023, 4:00 pm

bruce lee would have killed mike, he would have broken his neck.



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23 Feb 2023, 4:02 pm

auntblabby wrote:
bruce lee would have killed mike, he would have broken his neck.


Easy


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23 Feb 2023, 4:11 pm

babybird wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
bruce lee would have killed mike, he would have broken his neck.


Easy

not encouraging violence here, just stating a fact of what a black belt 10th dan can do. i know an instructor who is capable of this.



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23 Feb 2023, 4:22 pm

I know you're not encouraging violence


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23 Feb 2023, 4:55 pm

auntblabby wrote:
bruce lee would have killed mike, he would have broken his neck.


The legendary Bruce Lee might.
The real Bruce Lee... I think you overestimate what one trained fighter can do against another. Bruce Lee had a really wide resume in martial arts, he's probably one of the people most responsible for MMA coming into existence, but there's a reason why MMA adopted weight classes and doesn't have men fight women - someone who's 80lbs larger can usually wreck someone that much smaller unless there's a huge skill and conditioning imbalance. Weight plays a huge role in knock-out power, but also resistance.

And Tyson was one of the most dedicated athletes on earth, this was a big part of his success. You're talking about someone who's obsession was on par with a special interest.

Bruce Lee had a pretty diverse background so it's not fair to associate him with any one martial art. He trained in boxing, and if the bout was strictly boxing Tyson would probably knock him out within a round, but that wouldn't be very fair.

Grappling can give a smaller person more hope against a larger person, but only if the rules allow for it. If the rules were more like kickboxing Lee might last a few rounds, but still probably wouldn't come out on top.

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just stating a fact of what a black belt 10th dan can do.


There's been some very good fighters with a karate background in MMA, but typically Muay Thai and boxing give the best background for striking. There's lots of things a skilled martial artist might be able to do, but they've got to actually be able to withstand what their opponent can do to them in the meantime. It's not like Eastern Martial Arts are inherently more effective than others and when it comes to punching, boxers are the best at it.

Guys who do competitive karate get wrecked by other martial artists pretty regularly, including even this example, where the Muay Thai competitor destroys the karateka despite rules that heavily favour the karateka.


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24 Feb 2023, 8:49 am

All joking aside a silverback could tear Mikes head of with one arm



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24 Feb 2023, 8:57 am

Yeah but could Bruce Lee


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24 Feb 2023, 1:51 pm

babybird wrote:
Yeah but could Bruce Lee


No, a big part of the gorilla's advantage is that it's ~2 MT (Mike Tyson, as a standard unit of mass).

Bruce Lee is only about 0.6 MTs.

It's the combination of mass and strength that makes big people and animals hit so hard. Strength and technique provide the acceleration and the person/animal's mass is what's accelerated.

Smaller folks only got so much mass to accelerate, so the gorilla that weighs ~3 BLs (Bruce Lee, as a standard unit of mass) is going to be able to smack someone much harder than either of our human athletes.

To be fair though, gorillas and chimps tend to grapple more than strike. They'd just rip and tear until it's done, probably bite too.


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24 Feb 2023, 2:21 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
babybird wrote:
Yeah but could Bruce Lee


No, a big part of the gorilla's advantage is that it's ~2 MT (Mike Tyson, as a standard unit of mass).

Bruce Lee is only about 0.6 MTs.

It's the combination of mass and strength that makes big people and animals hit so hard. Strength and technique provide the acceleration and the person/animal's mass is what's accelerated.

Smaller folks only got so much mass to accelerate, so the gorilla that weighs ~3 BLs (Bruce Lee, as a standard unit of mass) is going to be able to smack someone much harder than either of our human athletes.

To be fair though, gorillas and chimps tend to grapple more than strike. They'd just rip and tear until it's done, probably bite too.



A silverback if it wanted to (gorrilas are mostly gentle) could crush a chimp



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24 Feb 2023, 2:35 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
babybird wrote:
Yeah but could Bruce Lee


No, a big part of the gorilla's advantage is that it's ~2 MT (Mike Tyson, as a standard unit of mass).

Bruce Lee is only about 0.6 MTs.

It's the combination of mass and strength that makes big people and animals hit so hard. Strength and technique provide the acceleration and the person/animal's mass is what's accelerated.

Smaller folks only got so much mass to accelerate, so the gorilla that weighs ~3 BLs (Bruce Lee, as a standard unit of mass) is going to be able to smack someone much harder than either of our human athletes.

To be fair though, gorillas and chimps tend to grapple more than strike. They'd just rip and tear until it's done, probably bite too.


Nooooo I meant could Bruce Lee tear Mike Tyson head off


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24 Feb 2023, 4:03 pm

Jamesy wrote:
A silverback if it wanted to (gorrilas are mostly gentle) could crush a chimp


Agreed.

babybird wrote:
Nooooo I meant could Bruce Lee tear Mike Tyson head off


How exactly? Everybody's gotta plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Only in the movies.


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25 Feb 2023, 8:47 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Mike Tyson is so tough he once tried to fight a silverback gorrilla in a zoo. True story


The video mentioned that. :lol:

Although I'd replace tough with game.
One can be very game and not especially tough. Gameness is more like a willingness to get into physically threatening/violent situations and sustain engagement even after being hurt or even if the risks are incredibly high.

How much fighting spirit one possesses, might be a good way of putting it.




These cats are more game than Mike Tyson. :lol:


In this video, Teddy Atlas says Mike Tyson did not have a lot of game. To save someone some time, he says it around minute 8:50. Someone should start around minute 7:40. It is worth watching the whole thing to listen to Teddy Atlas. Someone should actually start at the beginning, he is saying it the whole time.



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