Why is the U.S so fascist?

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Plato seems to have worked out the formula for this cycle 2400 or so years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cy ... %20tyranny.

For reals. Kinda an eerie truth.. but makes sense - especially considering we have thousands of years of organized human society to compare to his political structure cycle and can see that he was in fact correctamundo bigly time.

Relevant quote from the text:

So, it's simply the USA's time to (d)evolve into being led by a tyrant. Other forms of government tend to go in cycles, or pendulum swings back and forth between parties in a democracy, until people grow tired & wary of the entire system when it's not exactly working out in their best interest anymore.. and that's not necessarily because the system of government is a failure, IMO, it's more that the people in that system have exploited and abused the system and the population for their own greed at the expense of the people to such an extreme that people get frustrated at both the people controlling the system and the system itself in it's entirety.. so frustrated that they're willing to listen to the rantings of a madman tyrant who tells them what they want to hear - that he can and will do better for them. So blinded by their anger at the system, they fall for his BS and elevate him to some strange god-like leader status as member of the F the system cult, this guy says he IS the change we need!

Something like that is the reason the US is so fascist.

News Update: Trump has not been President for three years and will never be again. There is a new president named Joe Biden. You all are hilarious.

Trump is hardly in the news cycle I watch. He is no one’s leader. Neither is Biden and he is currently in charge so to speak.

^Why are you so sure that "Trump will never" be POTUS again?

He could legally, and is in fact, running for a second term. And he is polling high among Republicans. So he could be nominated again, giving him a fifty-fifty shot again.

How many more of these threads whining about a non-existent Fascist threat do we need?

I sometimes wish our societies were more 'Fascist' so the liberals in here would have something genuine to wet their pants over.

This is obviously wrong.

Plato, of course, has the excuse of living thousands of years ago, before almost all of recorded history had happened. Anyone writing today should be able to observe that democracy does not necessarily, or even usually, lead to tyranny, and that tyranny is not the end of the story.

Problem is that the HIPPA laws prevent many of the mentally ill from being identified to law enforcement or the ATF

I should have put 'What's with all the Christian Nationalism in the U.S?' but I can't change the title now. Though there are certainly similarities between the two.

I admit that is a flaw in my argument. I had not seen those polls. I have a hard time believing they are accurate. I believe the news and polls feed us drama.

I thought my assumption about third trimester abortions was poignant. No one advised me that my assumption was false so maybe it is true. I guess I will have to do my own research.

Groups can never admit they are wrong because the group would then fall apart. Only individuals can admit they are wrong. That is the argument for never belonging to a group.

No, Trump hasn't been President since he LOST to Biden. That said, he has pushed the baseless lie that the election had been stolen from him, and has made clear he still has Presidential ambitions. His acolytes in government are keeping MAGA fascism alive and well, and are also promoting the slow motion coup by voter suppression, along with the lie that Trump had defeated Biden. All that is latent fascism in waiting, its adherents plotting to do away with the rule of law and free government, all for Trump's cult of personality.

They give an injection to stop the fetal heartbeat before the abortion. They don't remove a live baby and then euthanize it. The reason for third trimester abortions is because its medically less risky than going into labor and giving birth when there are severe complications later in the pregnancy. Basically, people who get them wanted to have a baby but something has gone severely wrong.

And it should be added, this sort of abortion is very rarely used.
So called "partial birth abortion" is bullsh*t dreamed up by the right's talking heads.

We have a similar gerrymandered parliament in Australia that is disproportionately skewed toward rural voters.

Again a history lesson is in order. If you go back to the foundations of colonies like Australia. Canada and the USA, all of the wealth of the country was bound to farmland, mining and forestry (I think also the fur trade in Canada and the seal/whale trade in Australia was important in the early colonies)

Not surprisingly landowners wielded disproportionate power in these early colonies.

But in the US, these landowners made up an alliance of slaveholders who shared common economic interests in subjugation of slaves to maintain their profits. The founding fathers very cleverly wrote the constitution to protect their interests and not the interests of the American people. So they enacted three clauses to allow slavery of humans. They also permitted the continued genocide of the native Americans which opened up the best farmland, mining and forests for development for the existing wealthy elite who only got richer and whose descendants are the elite in modern US.

In doing so it became legal to treat black people as subhuman. There is a myth that the common American didn't own slaves but this didn't stop them from despising anyone who wasn't white, men, women and children. One small example - For much of American history black people could not travel. If they did they risked getting lynched by common people. Not just for stopping to purchase food or petrol but even to use public facilities



Imagine that, having to drive non-stop without daring to stop even to relieve yourself in case a police officer arrested you or worse.

The constitutional race laws that came later including Jim Crow basically provided the basis for the formation of the fascist race laws in Nazi Germany and apartheid south Africa. The United States founded a society that gave rise to concentration camps, genocide and dehumanisation laws around segregation in both the US but also to the fascist regimes of Germany, South Africa, German occupied Namibia, Japan, Argentia, Paraguay, Chile and Italy.

You can't wake up after 400 years and expect everything to turn on it's head. The legacy lives on and will take several generations of battling conservatives to reverse the old privileges.

While it may be true that the first person to own slaves in the US was not a black person they were one of the first. Are you saying Black slave owners could not travel freely?

People can spin a narrative in many ways for political reasons. That much is for certain.

Fact check that if you like. It does seem that there were many black slave owners that owned many slaves. It is part of the census. If you find convincing evidence my facts are incorrect I will admit it unlike the rest of you all.

I did a little research. Granted, not much. I read they dilate the cervix and scrap out the uterus. I kinda doubt they can get a needle in there. But …. if you say so I will consider the possibility. I am not an abortion opponent. I just have an interest in the craziness of people and how they believe as sorts of things on both sides of an issue.

I don’t think you know what his adherents think or want. You are just regurgitating what you hear from Whoopie Goldberg and those other stupid people on the voice or whatever.

I certainly admit that claims of election fraud are unsettling. I would never vote for Trump if there was a good alternative.

Also, why can I not have concerns about voting that does not require identification? That is also unsettling. What does the vote miraculously change after election night. Why not instill confidence in the voting system instead of obscuring it? Why obscure it?

Why are we so fascist?

Because people still have these mindsets: