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27 May 2023, 2:46 am

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Isn't that just going to push up the demand for city life even further than it already is?

My point is that we need more supply to meet the demand, from more people than just the rich.

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Secondly there has to be housing outside of cities. The only way to support densely populated cities is by having a massive support network outside of them to keep them ticking and these places are usually cheap to live in. A city will always need a huge supply of food, power, concrete, steel and water.

As technology has advanced, fewer and fewer people are needed in order to provide these things. Back in the 1800's and earlier, the majority of people worked on farms. That's simply not needed anymore, especially since the wave of farm mechanization that happened during the 1950's or so.

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It's easy to fall into the trap of assuming everyone should live in a city

I don't think everyone should live in a city. But I think more people should be able to live in cities than live in cities now. And the cities themselves need to become denser and more pedestrian-friendly and have better public transportation.

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but many people who do live in them fail to realise that the only reason a city exists is because people outside providing support to it.

Yes we do need people outside the city, but we need fewer of them.

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Sadly these people can sometimes be looked down on as part of "the problem" because they don't have as small a carbon footprint.

If there are fewer of them, their overall carbon footprint will be reduced.


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27 May 2023, 2:58 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Nades wrote:
Isn't that just going to push up the demand for city life even further than it already is?

My point is that we need more supply to meet the demand, from more people than just the rich.

Nades wrote:
Secondly there has to be housing outside of cities. The only way to support densely populated cities is by having a massive support network outside of them to keep them ticking and these places are usually cheap to live in. A city will always need a huge supply of food, power, concrete, steel and water.

As technology has advanced, fewer and fewer people are needed in order to provide these things. Back in the 1800's and earlier, the majority of people worked on farms. That's simply not needed anymore, especially since the wave of farm mechanization that happened during the 1950's or so.

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It's easy to fall into the trap of assuming everyone should live in a city

I don't think everyone should live in a city. But I think more people should be able to live in cities than live in cities now. And the cities themselves need to become denser and more pedestrian-friendly and have better public transportation.

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but many people who do live in them fail to realise that the only reason a city exists is because people outside providing support to it.

Yes we do need people outside the city, but we need fewer of them.

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Sadly these people can sometimes be looked down on as part of "the problem" because they don't have as small a carbon footprint.

If there are fewer of them, their overall carbon footprint will be reduced.


Well you don't actually make fewer homeless people by bussing them to grand junction or places near there. Like it is not fewer of them it is just shipping them around to places people deem more convenient to drop them off. In no way does that actually address the problem just makes it less visible to so called 'affluent neighborhoods' whatever the f**k that is.


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27 May 2023, 10:09 pm

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Anti homelessness and ableism are tightly intertwined

Any measure taken against homeless people WILL harm disabled people, because fundamentally, they are about removing accessibility.

Anti homeless attitudes rely on the same underlying logic as ableism. That they “deserve” their misfortune, that they just aren’t trying hard enough, that they are inherently immoral, etc.

it’s a small wonder why when you look at how the entire purpose of anti homeless politics is to gatekeep access to society from people deemed unworthy


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I never understood anti-homelessness or ableism. how does any human in their right mind think that way about other humans


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Also: homeless people are regularly physically/mentally disabled. This isn't a coincidence. The system treats the most vulnerable members of our as pariahs.


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Seriously. Every time I see hostile architecture and stuff I not only think of the homeless people but also disabled people who can’t sit down or get their wheelchairs over the ones on the pavement

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Plus because of not enough opportunities there is a large intersect


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27 May 2023, 10:31 pm

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Kansas City homeless program could be model for mental illness treatment, advocates say
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Fri, May 26, 2023 at 6:30 AM CDT·10 min read

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After leaving prison, where he’d been incarcerated for nearly three decades, a man in his 60s took up residence in the woods of Kansas City, where he stayed for five years.

He eventually found his way to City Union Mission’s emergency homeless shelter, where staff learned he’d been panhandling to pay for his eyesight medication.

At the shelter, they pegged him as a good fit for the L. Minor Care Center next door, a program that helps connect men with high needs to long-term supportive housing, however long it takes.

Once at the center, staff connected the man with a healthcare provider who covered his medications and delivered them to him. He doesn’t have a move-out deadline, and all the services are free.

The man, upon learning this, started crying.

“This is the first time I feel like anybody’s ever cared for me,” Amanda Greene, the center’s administrator, recalled him saying.

In the five years since opening, nearly 700 men have come through the center, with most staying for about 150 days, though some have stayed for years before transitioning into permanent supportive housing, City Union Mission leadership said.

Of those, 75% were still in permanent housing a year later.

“We’re finding that’s really the sweet spot that’s missing in Kansas City, is this non-clinical, but high-touch, high-investment opportunity for them to just relax and feel at home and for us to start working toward, where is the best place we can place them,” said Terry Megli, CEO of City Union Mission, which runs the center.

All the men at the center have been chronically homeless, and about 80% were previously institutionalized. About 60% have a traumatic brain injury, and almost everyone has experienced some sort of addiction.

Almost every resident suffers from multiple mental health disorders and/or physical disabilities, Megli said, with about half using a wheelchair, cane or walker. Many also suffer from addiction. Some of the men’s needs are too high even for emergency or cold-weather shelters, Greene added.

This means each guest needs a personalized experience. And that starts with helping the men overcome their stigma about being homeless and learn to recognize their own worth, she said.

They focus on building trust, creating a routine, getting on a medical management program and learning to relax, now that they’re in a safe space. Once that foundation is built, they look for permanent housing.

About 10 men are currently on the center’s waiting list, though Greene estimated there are thousands of people in the metro who could benefit from their program. It’s why Megli is in the process of creating a similar program for women and families.

Kansas City’s homeless population has grown in visibility, and likely size in the past few years, as the pandemic forced more people into fraught financial situations. Right now, an estimated 1,800 people are living unhoused in Kansas City, Missouri, alone, according to a recent estimate by the Greater Kansas City Coalition to End Homelessness

These numbers are part of the reason Megli is hoping to draw more attention to the success of the L. Minor Care Center, which he hopes to expand into a similar program for women and children. With the right resources, staff said, they hope to help hundreds more people.

Growing mental health needs

At the turn of the century, a former City Union Mission staffer named Loraine Minor recognized a growing need to address mental illness in Kansas City’s homeless population.

The center, her namesake, finally opened in 2018 on East 10th Street next to their men’s shelter. They now have a team of about 20 people, including case managers, administrators and overnight staff who help cater to the individual adaptive living needs of each man. The program has cost just under $4 million in five years through donations.

Staff at the men’s emergency shelter are trained to help identify individuals with mental health and physical health needs. From there, L. Minor Care Center staff run a vulnerability assessment to determine if they are high risk and could benefit from the program.

Once they’ve joined the center, the men can stay as long as they need to until they find permanent supportive housing, staff say. And if they leave and then later face homelessness again, they’re welcomed back to try again. Unlike most emergency shelters, they don’t have to leave during the day; and unlike many transitional housing opportunities, there’s no move-out deadline.

Many of the men have to re-learn how to take care of themselves after years spent living on the street, Greene said. Others need around-the-clock nursing and support. Most of the men, including those with diabetes, are given resources to learn how to take care of their health. The center helps connect each person with a primary care doctor, and clinicians make stops by the center at least once a month.

“There’s so many resources in Kansas City, it’s just connecting all the dots,” Greene said.


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27 May 2023, 11:13 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Nades wrote:
Isn't that just going to push up the demand for city life even further than it already is?

My point is that we need more supply to meet the demand, from more people than just the rich.

Nades wrote:
Secondly there has to be housing outside of cities. The only way to support densely populated cities is by having a massive support network outside of them to keep them ticking and these places are usually cheap to live in. A city will always need a huge supply of food, power, concrete, steel and water.

As technology has advanced, fewer and fewer people are needed in order to provide these things. Back in the 1800's and earlier, the majority of people worked on farms. That's simply not needed anymore, especially since the wave of farm mechanization that happened during the 1950's or so.

Nades wrote:
It's easy to fall into the trap of assuming everyone should live in a city

I don't think everyone should live in a city. But I think more people should be able to live in cities than live in cities now. And the cities themselves need to become denser and more pedestrian-friendly and have better public transportation.

Nades wrote:
but many people who do live in them fail to realise that the only reason a city exists is because people outside providing support to it.

Yes we do need people outside the city, but we need fewer of them.

Nades wrote:
Sadly these people can sometimes be looked down on as part of "the problem" because they don't have as small a carbon footprint.

If there are fewer of them, their overall carbon footprint will be reduced.


Well you don't actually make fewer homeless people by bussing them to grand junction or places near there. Like it is not fewer of them it is just shipping them around to places people deem more convenient to drop them off. In no way does that actually address the problem just makes it less visible to so called 'affluent neighborhoods' whatever the f**k that is.

Yes, and even if they do have the skills to fill vacancies in the local economy, they still will be homeless until they connect with an employer and get a home of some sort.

Just shipping them around does nothing, although shipping them to where the affluent are can build issue to deal with the problem.



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28 May 2023, 2:09 am

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Well you don't actually make fewer homeless people by bussing them to grand junction or places near there. Like it is not fewer of them it is just shipping them around to places people deem more convenient to drop them off. In no way does that actually address the problem just makes it less visible to so called 'affluent neighborhoods' whatever the f**k that is.

I wasn't advocating "bussing" homeless people anywhere.

Looks like you misunderstood what Nades and I were talking about. Please re-read the discussion beginning with this post by Nades to get the context.

Nades was arguing that homeless people should be housed in rural areas, rather than in the cities where they more commonly seek help. I and others replied by pointing out various reasons why many people need to live in a city. Nades replied by pointing out the dependency of city people on rural people, e.g. food gets grown in rural areas. I replied that this doesn't mean we need a lot of people to live in rural areas.

The post you replied to was a continuation of that discussion. By that point, we were no longer talking about homeless people, but about the relative merits, more generally, of people living in cities vs. people living in rural areas.


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28 May 2023, 3:56 am

The biggest contributors to housing costs in Western countries are the following:

- Immigration. Obvious why I hope.

- Women doing paid work. The market has stabilised around average families having 2+ incomes to spend on average housing, so unless you inherit, are lucky or well-paid, now you need 2+ incomes to get even a modest property. "+" here might represent government subsidy for childcare or other benefits. Someone has to pay for the day-orphanage if mum is working and it's a sizeable chunk of money.

- Foreign investment in domestic real estate. Obvious again I hope.

- Mass divorce in the older generations. Where once one house would suffice, two are now needed - unless both parties remarry. Many divorcés and divorcées do not remarry and rarely remarry instantaneously.

- Mass singleness in the younger generations. Many end up staying with parents, but more than a few find that intolerable and seek to live alone - it often comes at the expense of local councils and taxpayers, but it still puts pressure on the market.

The last two could be combined into "destruction of marriage".

It's painfully obvious why no one of a left wing persuasion can seriously tackle housing, the root causes are their own policies and ideological beliefs - things they care about much more than the homeless or the poor. So they happily tolerate homelessness and ever deepening poverty to pay homage to the more important pillars of modern Leftism. Not even the so-called Conservatives dare touch these issues any more. They might just just get away limiting foreign investment, but asset selling of that sort is a major way countries pay for their trade deficits - and indirectly continue paying for other generous social programs.

Before someone really clever says (while tacitly admitting these are the root causes) "Supply is real problem, Mikah, we failed to build enough houses." No. You haven't done the shower maths. In the UK, the immigration factor alone would make doubling our current construction capacity necessary just to keep up. "Just build an extra city every year, bro" is not a viable solution. The "let's all live in the pods as seen in many a dystopian sci-fi" suggestion can f**k off too. You and your children first.


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28 May 2023, 4:43 am

Mikah wrote:
The biggest contributors to housing costs in Western countries are the following:

- Immigration. Obvious why I hope.

- Women doing paid work. The market has stabilised around average families having 2+ incomes to spend on average housing, so unless you inherit, are lucky or well-paid, now you need 2+ incomes to get even a modest property. "+" here might represent government subsidy for childcare or other benefits. Someone has to pay for the day-orphanage if mum is working and it's a sizeable chunk of money.

- Foreign investment in domestic real estate. Obvious again I hope.

- Mass divorce in the older generations. Where once one house would suffice, two are now needed - unless both parties remarry. Many divorcés and divorcées do not remarry and rarely remarry instantaneously.

- Mass singleness in the younger generations. Many end up staying with parents, but more than a few find that intolerable and seek to live alone - it often comes at the expense of local councils and taxpayers, but it still puts pressure on the market.

The last two could be combined into "destruction of marriage".

It's painfully obvious why no one of a left wing persuasion can seriously tackle housing, the root causes are their own policies and ideological beliefs - things they care about much more than the homeless or the poor. So they happily tolerate homelessness and ever deepening poverty to pay homage to the more important pillars of modern Leftism. Not even the so-called Conservatives dare touch these issues any more. They might just just get away limiting foreign investment, but asset selling of that sort is a major way countries pay for their trade deficits - and indirectly continue paying for other generous social programs.

Before someone really clever says (while tacitly admitting these are the root causes) "Supply is real problem, Mikah, we failed to build enough houses." No. You haven't done the shower maths. In the UK, the immigration factor alone would make doubling our current construction capacity necessary just to keep up. "Just build an extra city every year, bro" is not a viable solution. The "let's all live in the pods as seen in many a dystopian sci-fi" suggestion can f**k off too. You and your children first.



Net migration last year was about 600k+. That alone is a City the size of Cardiff every 6 months needing to be built. It's just impossible.



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28 May 2023, 4:55 am

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28 May 2023, 11:33 am

It would be interesting to ask an advanced AI system what it would recommend. I have a feeling that it would perceive the homeless much like redundant data and treat the problem as such. Unfortunately that question could become a slippery slope as it may come to realize that all life is redundant data in some way. Humanity has a self-destructive tendency that will someday become part of AI (if it has not already).

My thought is that homelessness can be eased (never erased) by programs similar to the Civil Conservation Corps that was done in the US back in the 1930s. It involved paying people to work on beautification programs, such as building parks, dams and yes, permanent housing for such individuals that are capable in rundown areas. Some of my distant relatives had to join the CCC when their farms failed during the Dust Bowl days. Today, their families own their own farms again.

Of course there are rules that will have to be followed (like no drug use), so some of homeless will not want to participate. That is their choice.



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28 May 2023, 12:37 pm

AIs are being asked all the things... here's one that gives a solid plan on bringing the changes we actually need. Key point to take from it? Every single one of us in the "99%" NEED to step up and begin to work with each other to DO THE WORK in bringing down capitalism. The rich/leisure class HOARD "all the stuff", which we know would help ALL the People, if and when we take it back. IOW, we need to stop just debating it. Get out there and ORGANIZE.

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28 May 2023, 1:48 pm

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AIs are being asked all the things... here's one that gives a solid plan on bringing the changes we actually need. Key point to take from it? Every single one of us in the "99%" NEED to step up and begin to work with each other to DO THE WORK in bringing down capitalism. The rich/leisure class HOARD "all the stuff", which we know would help ALL the People, if and when we take it back. IOW, we need to stop just debating it. Get out there and ORGANIZE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXLg1IM ... pfpMMHIFJc


Sorry but I do not share your point of view. Taking from the rich to give to the poor looks good on paper, but where does it stop? The concept did not work so well in Russia in the past. It ended up in the hands of a dictator (Stalin) for a very long time. Remind me again how many died under his policies... History repeats itself in due time.

If the “who is rich” scale slides down enough, the middle class (where I am at) becomes greatly affected. I worked very hard to have what I have now. Why would I just be willing to give it away, so that others do not have to do the same amount of work? The old story of the ant & the grasshopper applies here.



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28 May 2023, 1:56 pm

Mikah wrote:
The biggest contributors to housing costs in Western countries are the following:

- Immigration. Obvious why I hope.

The only humane way to reduce immigration would be through international cooperation to alleviate its causes. Most immigrants don't immigrate just for fun, after all. Most people would rather not move to another country unless they have to.

Here in the U.S.A., much of the immigration at the southern border is driven, at least in part, by people fleeing from the drug gangs in Central America. Why are there such gigantic and violent drug gangs in Central America? Because of the demand for illegal drugs here in the U.S.A.

In my opinion, drugs like cocaine should be strongly discouraged and highly regulated but not outright prohibited. That would cut down on drug gangs and their associated violence and corruption. Drug gangs are violent because illegal businesses have no other way to settle business disputes. And history has shown that it is simply not possible to win a "war" against an illegal business whose products are popular.

Other causes of migration from Central America are discussed here: Central American Migration: Root Causes and U.S. Policy. There needs to be more serious discussion of how these issues can be alleviated.

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- Women doing paid work. The market has stabilised around average families having 2+ incomes to spend on average housing, so unless you inherit, are lucky or well-paid, now you need 2+ incomes to get even a modest property. "+" here might represent government subsidy for childcare or other benefits. Someone has to pay for the day-orphanage if mum is working and it's a sizeable chunk of money.

Would you prefer a return to child labor instead of married women working?

Only during a brief period in the middle of the 20th century could large numbers of families in the Western world afford to have only one person working. It is not reasonable to expect this to be the longterm norm.

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- Foreign investment in domestic real estate. Obvious again I hope.

Should be much more heavily taxed, except to the extent that the investments are beneficial to the local population. Purely speculative investment (e.g. buying property and just letting it sit there, unoccupied) should be strongly discouraged via tax policy.

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- Mass divorce in the older generations. Where once one house would suffice, two are now needed - unless both parties remarry. Many divorcés and divorcées do not remarry and rarely remarry instantaneously.

Unfortunately, divorce is an inevitable fact of modern life. There are many theories as to the reasons why divorce rates rose during the 20th century (see U.S.A. statistics here). One theory is that various technological advances, such as the automobile, made it a lot easier for people to cheat on their spouses than ever before. Obviously, though, trying to un-do these technological advances is not a good solution.

IMO the only reasonable ways to try to lower the divorce rate are (1) to encourage people to be more careful about whom they marry, in the first place, and (2) to encourage people to learn conflict resolution skills. Unfortunately, too many people have unrealistic expectations, such as "love at first sight," because that's how love happens in the movies.

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- Mass singleness in the younger generations. Many end up staying with parents, but more than a few find that intolerable and seek to live alone - it often comes at the expense of local councils and taxpayers, but it still puts pressure on the market.

Needed: Inexpensive boarding houses for childless single people. Boarding houses were once commonplace, but not anymore (at least here in NYC), thanks to zoning laws.

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The last two could be combined into "destruction of marriage".

So you think people should be somehow pressured into marrying earlier???

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It's painfully obvious why no one of a left wing persuasion can seriously tackle housing, the root causes are their own policies and ideological beliefs

You listed a bunch of factors that increase the demand for housing.

I should point out that many right wingers want people (or, at least, people of their own race/nationality) to have lots of children, which would also increase the demand for housing once those kids grow up.

Indeed, in the long run, the return to traditional patriarchy that you seem to be advocating would result in much more population increase, hence much more demand for housing, than the "left-wing" "policies and ideological beliefs" that you are blaming.

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- things they care about much more than the homeless or the poor. So they happily tolerate homelessness and ever deepening poverty to pay homage to the more important pillars of modern Leftism.

No, leftists don't "happily tolerate homelessness and ever deepening poverty." The problem, at least here in the U.S.A., is that both major parties are dominated by propertied interests. Leftists have not been able to fight back effectively against the propertied interests within the Democratic Party, because both major parties depend on campaign contributions from the propertied interests.

At least here in the U.S.A., these propertied interests include not just "the 1%" but also middle-class homeowners' associations (HOA's) and local "civic associations" and "block associations" dominated by homeowners. These groups tend to be staunch supporters of restrictive zoning laws, because they believe they have a God-given right to eternally skyrocketing property values.

Jesus said: "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil." In today's world that would be: "For the love of property values is the root of all kinds of evil."

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Not even the so-called Conservatives dare touch these issues any more. They might just just get away limiting foreign investment, but asset selling of that sort is a major way countries pay for their trade deficits - and indirectly continue paying for other generous social programs.

The specific kind of foreign investment that needs to be limited is the purely speculative purchase of land and residential property. Here in NYC, there are a lot of vacant (or, at least, vacant for most of the year) apartments owned by foreigners. This could be remedied with a steep pied-à-terre tax.

I don't favor trying to get rid of all kinds of foreign investment, but just the kinds that hog residential real estate and other scarce resources.

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Before someone really clever says (while tacitly admitting these are the root causes) "Supply is real problem, Mikah, we failed to build enough houses." No. You haven't done the shower maths. In the UK, the immigration factor alone would make doubling our current construction capacity necessary just to keep up.

At least here in the U.S.A., there have certainly been times of even more massive construction. (See the historical data on population growth of the NYC metro area, for example.) I suspect there have been times of massive construction in Europe too, e.g. replacing the rubble after World War II. Massive construction is indeed possible, if there is enough political will to do it.

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"Just build an extra city every year, bro" is not a viable solution. The "let's all live in the pods as seen in many a dystopian sci-fi" suggestion can f**k off too. You and your children first.

I'm sorry, I'm not a science fiction fan, so I don't know what you are referring to as "the pods."


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28 May 2023, 2:14 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
Mikah wrote:
"Just build an extra city every year, bro" is not a viable solution. The "let's all live in the pods as seen in many a dystopian sci-fi" suggestion can f**k off too. You and your children first.

I'm sorry, I'm not a science fiction fan, so I don't know what you are referring to as "the pods."


Mona, I don't have the knowledge of Exactly what Mikah is referring to but I do know about this which uses the same word,


Can't Find An Affordable Home? Try Living In A Pod
October 21, 2018
11:34 AM ET
From KCRW
By Anna Scott
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/21/65442657 ... g-in-a-pod


Pod Living: What It Is and Why It’s Booming
Home & Garden, Real Estate | 07/28/2020 | By: Laura Mueller
https://www.moving.com/tips/pod-living- ... s-booming/


Burlington mayor showcases new homeless pod community
By Katharine Huntley
Published: Oct. 12, 2022 at 11:35 AM EDT|Updated: Oct. 12, 2022 at 5:56 PM EDT
https://www.wcax.com/2022/10/12/burling ... community/


Safe Rest Pods Coming To Hillsboro To Help Homeless Issues
Open Door Counseling Is Selected To Operate Local Facility
by Dirk Knudsen
November 6, 2022
https://hillsboroherald.com/safe-rest-p ... ss-issues/


Pods to house Bristol homeless to be built on car park
Published 13 December 2022
By Adam Postans & Dawn Limbu
Local Democracy Reporting Service & BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-63965795


Hexagonal Housing Pods by Framlab Shelter NYC Homeless

https://www.arch2o.com/framlab-housing-pods-nyc/


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28 May 2023, 2:18 pm

QuantumChemist wrote:
My thought is that homelessness can be eased (never erased) by programs similar to the Civil Conservation Corps that was done in the US back in the 1930s. It involved paying people to work on beautification programs, such as building parks, dams and yes, permanent housing for such individuals that are capable in rundown areas. Some of my distant relatives had to join the CCC when their farms failed during the Dust Bowl days. Today, their families own their own farms again.

Yes, a revival of something like the CCC would be an excellent idea.


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28 May 2023, 2:38 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not a science fiction fan, so I don't know what you are referring to as "the pods."


Mona, I don't have the knowledge of Exactly what Mikah is referring to but I do know about this which uses the same word,


Can't Find An Affordable Home? Try Living In A Pod
October 21, 2018
11:34 AM ET
From KCRW
By Anna Scott
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/21/65442657 ... g-in-a-pod


Pod Living: What It Is and Why It’s Booming
Home & Garden, Real Estate | 07/28/2020 | By: Laura Mueller
https://www.moving.com/tips/pod-living- ... s-booming/


Burlington mayor showcases new homeless pod community
By Katharine Huntley
Published: Oct. 12, 2022 at 11:35 AM EDT|Updated: Oct. 12, 2022 at 5:56 PM EDT
https://www.wcax.com/2022/10/12/burling ... community/


Safe Rest Pods Coming To Hillsboro To Help Homeless Issues
Open Door Counseling Is Selected To Operate Local Facility
by Dirk Knudsen
November 6, 2022
https://hillsboroherald.com/safe-rest-p ... ss-issues/


Pods to house Bristol homeless to be built on car park
Published 13 December 2022
By Adam Postans & Dawn Limbu
Local Democracy Reporting Service & BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-63965795


Hexagonal Housing Pods by Framlab Shelter NYC Homeless

https://www.arch2o.com/framlab-housing-pods-nyc/


I think it would be good to build something somewhat similar to the buildings described in this NPR article, with shared livingrooms, kitchens, and bathrooms, but with small private bedrooms (with doors that lock!) instead of those bunk beds.

To make this work well, there would need to be rules, like no loud music.

We also need a revival of old-fashioned boarding houses. Here in the U.S.A. at least, boarding houses are now quite rare, due to zoning laws.


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