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27 Apr 2023, 10:18 am

My opinion is that Trump is a grifter, isn't really a traditional conservative but just caters to what right-wingers want.

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His uncle was MIT professor, I doubt he really believes that global warming isn't real, and is just saying it to appeal to the masses and because America can make a lot of profits from fossil fuels.

His transphobia is manufactured, he seemed trans-friendly before running for office then all of a sudden becomes transphobic as president.

That being said, he seems less racist now than 2016, as of 2023 he seems to have become more civilized.

With him I agree the most important issue right now are nukes and the economy, I believe a Trump presidency would have a low probabilty of WW3 and nukes. That being said, I don't think Biden would be the type of guy to launch the nukes, I think nukes are a non-partisan issue, the biggest threat might be Hillary or even a Republican.

So unless they can provide a better candidate, Trump has my vote. He said he would go Solid Snake on nukes and remove all nukes from society. I think nukes are the biggest issue, if someone could actually remove all nukes from society I think that would be a load off my chest. While I don't agree with him on some issues, I am not going to vote for someone if it means death by nukes. Nukes are really the most important issue imo.

While I don't think Biden would launch nukes on purpose, the enemies of the USA might sense weakness, for instance psychopaths like Putin or Kim might view Biden as weak and get emboldened to go nuclear from that.

As far as economic issues, I think the fact that many right-wingers are global warming skeptics is a problem. At the same time, EVs do mean less profits for America, and battery mining is usually unethical and also causes global warming problems. But if Trump didn't cater to these people I doubt he would have gotten elected in the first place, and they would have just selected some other dinosaur to replace him.



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27 Apr 2023, 12:01 pm

Trump is a crook and a rapist. He belongs in prison.


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27 Apr 2023, 12:27 pm

Nobody is ever going to remove all the nukes from society. Some of these terrorist groups and third world countries aren't giving up their nukes once they get them.



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27 Apr 2023, 4:06 pm

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Nobody is ever going to remove all the nukes from society. Some of these terrorist groups and third world countries aren't giving up their nukes once they get them.


Nukes require maintenance and somebody could invent a satellite to detect dormant nukes from long range.



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27 Apr 2023, 4:53 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ues8ycO ... ndyRainbow


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27 Apr 2023, 6:47 pm

Naturally. A sincere politician of any colour is a very rare beast, and if it's a right-wing populist whose job it is to preserve inequality without appearing to be part of the ruling elite, I don't see how that could ever be done in an honest way.



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27 Apr 2023, 8:08 pm

Trump -- and anyone who would vote for him after all the crap he has pulled -- deserves neither my trust nor my respect.


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27 Apr 2023, 8:28 pm

Serious question = Ignoring his criminal past are there any good reasons to vote Trump?

I was considering making a thread with this question but thought it might be a short thread :mrgreen:


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27 Apr 2023, 8:58 pm

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Serious question = Ignoring his criminal past are there any good reasons to vote Trump?

A relatively wealthy voter might prefer to vote for him simply because he's the Republican candidate.



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27 Apr 2023, 10:13 pm

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Serious question = Ignoring his criminal past are there any good reasons to vote Trump?  I was considering making a thread with this question but thought it might be a short thread.
Without his criminal past, there would be no Trump to vote for -- just another ordinary, ignorant draft-dodger with inherited wealth and small hands.


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27 Apr 2023, 11:14 pm

WHAT!?

Trump is a grifter???

Impossible!

Are you telling me that Trump is not really...a religious Christian who reads the Bible every day...and that he doesnt care about Pro-Life?????

Next you're gonna tell me that there is no Tooth Fairy!

I am just so shocked!

Okay...Ive caught my breath from laughing...from reading what you said about how "Trump's Conservatism is pretend".

I used to think the opposite. That crediting Trump with having ANY beliefs (even bad beliefs like racism) was giving him credit for convictions he doesnt have. But now actually I think that his racism is probably an exception. He probably is a ...sincere and genuine...racist! Lol!

But thats about it for any actual beliefs he has besides his own power.

And you're probably right that he wasnt particularly anti gay or even anti trans back in his pre political Manhatten socialite days. you're right that that bigotry is just part of his culture wars pose to pander to his particular "market share of voters". And even then he can be quite pragmatic- he warned his GOP not to go hard on banning abortion because it wouldnt 'sell' to even conservative voters. And he was proven right. The Dems are delighted that the GOP did NOT listen to Trump and are happily embracing the droves of voters that the GOP is now driving into Biden's arms because of local banning of abortion.

I dont know where you see Biden "being weak".

Biden is for maintaining our Cold War system of alliances and over seas bases.

Trump is the one who wants us to help Putin by pulling out of Germany and South Korea, and for dismantling NATO.

As far as "getting rid of nukes"...the issue is stopping the proliferation of nukes. Stopping the spread of nuclear weapons is hard enough. We would have to stop proliferation before we could even hope to roll it back and get extant nuclear armed nations to give up nukes. In the long run splitting the atom is just like any other technology. Eventually every country will have nukes just like every country has sewing machines.



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28 Apr 2023, 12:10 pm

Lecia_Wynter wrote:
My opinion is that Trump is a grifter, isn't really a traditional conservative but just caters to what right-wingers want.

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His uncle was MIT professor, I doubt he really believes that global warming isn't real, and is just saying it to appeal to the masses and because America can make a lot of profits from fossil fuels.

His transphobia is manufactured, he seemed trans-friendly before running for office then all of a sudden becomes transphobic as president.

That being said, he seems less racist now than 2016, as of 2023 he seems to have become more civilized.

With him I agree the most important issue right now are nukes and the economy, I believe a Trump presidency would have a low probabilty of WW3 and nukes. That being said, I don't think Biden would be the type of guy to launch the nukes, I think nukes are a non-partisan issue, the biggest threat might be Hillary or even a Republican.

So unless they can provide a better candidate, Trump has my vote. He said he would go Solid Snake on nukes and remove all nukes from society. I think nukes are the biggest issue, if someone could actually remove all nukes from society I think that would be a load off my chest. While I don't agree with him on some issues, I am not going to vote for someone if it means death by nukes. Nukes are really the most important issue imo.

While I don't think Biden would launch nukes on purpose, the enemies of the USA might sense weakness, for instance psychopaths like Putin or Kim might view Biden as weak and get emboldened to go nuclear from that.

As far as economic issues, I think the fact that many right-wingers are global warming skeptics is a problem. At the same time, EVs do mean less profits for America, and battery mining is usually unethical and also causes global warming problems. But if Trump didn't cater to these people I doubt he would have gotten elected in the first place, and they would have just selected some other dinosaur to replace him.


Lol wow.

You start of acknowledging he's a grifter, list a bunch of terrible traits, then say he's the best candidate and has your vote because of his grandiose unrealistic grift of a promise that he can rid the world of nukes & some other guy is likely to start a nuclear war.

Lol wow.


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28 Apr 2023, 8:50 pm

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Lecia_Wynter wrote:
My opinion . . .
You start of acknowledging he's a grifter, list a bunch of terrible traits, then say he's the best candidate and has your vote because of his grandiose unrealistic grift of a promise that he can rid the world of nukes & some other guy is likely to start a nuclear war.
Trumpsters rarely ever make any sense, and sometimes not even to each other.

I know a fundie woman who could spit vinegar while talking about Trump's atrocities, but her words become sweet as honey when she reminds us that he moved the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.  Of course, to her, that ONE act convinces her to vote for him again.

:roll: If Trumpsters could be reasoned with, there would soon be no more Trumpsters.


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29 Apr 2023, 11:28 am

Lecia_Wynter wrote:
My opinion is that Trump is a grifter, isn't really a traditional conservative but just caters to what right-wingers want.

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His uncle was MIT professor, I doubt he really believes that global warming isn't real, and is just saying it to appeal to the masses and because America can make a lot of profits from fossil fuels.

His transphobia is manufactured, he seemed trans-friendly before running for office then all of a sudden becomes transphobic as president.

That being said, he seems less racist now than 2016, as of 2023 he seems to have become more civilized.

With him I agree the most important issue right now are nukes and the economy, I believe a Trump presidency would have a low probabilty of WW3 and nukes. That being said, I don't think Biden would be the type of guy to launch the nukes, I think nukes are a non-partisan issue, the biggest threat might be Hillary or even a Republican.

So unless they can provide a better candidate, Trump has my vote. He said he would go Solid Snake on nukes and remove all nukes from society. I think nukes are the biggest issue, if someone could actually remove all nukes from society I think that would be a load off my chest. While I don't agree with him on some issues, I am not going to vote for someone if it means death by nukes. Nukes are really the most important issue imo.

While I don't think Biden would launch nukes on purpose, the enemies of the USA might sense weakness, for instance psychopaths like Putin or Kim might view Biden as weak and get emboldened to go nuclear from that.

As far as economic issues, I think the fact that many right-wingers are global warming skeptics is a problem. At the same time, EVs do mean less profits for America, and battery mining is usually unethical and also causes global warming problems. But if Trump didn't cater to these people I doubt he would have gotten elected in the first place, and they would have just selected some other dinosaur to replace him.


Life on Earth was suppose to have ended already according to Al Gore in “An Inconvenient Truth” which I got in the mail from Netflix around 1990. At least some beaches should be under water. Al Gore was former vice president in case no one has ever heard of him.

I am not arguing for or against global warming. I just collect my own little personal facts about it with my limited intellect.

It is true we are only about 10,000 years out from a recurring ice age that covers most of the inhabitable earth. Washington, DC was under a glacier 10,000 odd years ago.

You can fact check me if you want but it doesn’t matter.



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29 Apr 2023, 12:02 pm

Fnord wrote:
Recidivist wrote:
Serious question = Ignoring his criminal past are there any good reasons to vote Trump?  I was considering making a thread with this question but thought it might be a short thread.
Without his criminal past, there would be no Trump to vote for -- just another ordinary, ignorant draft-dodger with inherited wealth and small hands.


The only thing I have seen them pin on him is sleeping with Horse Face Stormy Daniels and calling people mean funny names.

The corruption that has gone into prosecuting him is more unsettling than him having a classified document or non-disclosure agreement with a porn star. You only get two choices when someone votes and some people flip a coin. You all fail to realize that which is clearly stupid.

Some of the things you all mention about him being a crook, rapist, draft dodger, accepting a small inheritance, failing to grow big hands as a child; he did on his own time.

The crimes of Biden,Inc. are job related. I would rather have Trump legally or illegally evading his taxes than Biden selling his influence in public office. One is job related and the other one isn’t.

Personally, I would gladly vote for anyone that doesn’t seem involved in the chit show. That doesn’t seem to be anyone so I will pick the side that seems less stupid regardless of how much free money the left gives me. I will not vote for a 90 year old to be president. In whose world is that not stupid?



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29 Apr 2023, 3:03 pm

JimJohn wrote:
Lecia_Wynter wrote:
My opinion is that Trump is a grifter, isn't really a traditional conservative but just caters to what right-wingers want.

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His uncle was MIT professor, I doubt he really believes that global warming isn't real, and is just saying it to appeal to the masses and because America can make a lot of profits from fossil fuels.

His transphobia is manufactured, he seemed trans-friendly before running for office then all of a sudden becomes transphobic as president.

That being said, he seems less racist now than 2016, as of 2023 he seems to have become more civilized.

With him I agree the most important issue right now are nukes and the economy, I believe a Trump presidency would have a low probabilty of WW3 and nukes. That being said, I don't think Biden would be the type of guy to launch the nukes, I think nukes are a non-partisan issue, the biggest threat might be Hillary or even a Republican.

So unless they can provide a better candidate, Trump has my vote. He said he would go Solid Snake on nukes and remove all nukes from society. I think nukes are the biggest issue, if someone could actually remove all nukes from society I think that would be a load off my chest. While I don't agree with him on some issues, I am not going to vote for someone if it means death by nukes. Nukes are really the most important issue imo.

While I don't think Biden would launch nukes on purpose, the enemies of the USA might sense weakness, for instance psychopaths like Putin or Kim might view Biden as weak and get emboldened to go nuclear from that.

As far as economic issues, I think the fact that many right-wingers are global warming skeptics is a problem. At the same time, EVs do mean less profits for America, and battery mining is usually unethical and also causes global warming problems. But if Trump didn't cater to these people I doubt he would have gotten elected in the first place, and they would have just selected some other dinosaur to replace him.


Life on Earth was suppose to have ended already according to Al Gore in “An Inconvenient Truth” which I got in the mail from Netflix around 1990. At least some beaches should be under water. Al Gore was former vice president in case no one has ever heard of him.

I am not arguing for or against global warming. I just collect my own little personal facts about it with my limited intellect.

It is true we are only about 10,000 years out from a recurring ice age that covers most of the inhabitable earth. Washington, DC was under a glacier 10,000 odd years ago.

You can fact check me if you want but it doesn’t matter.

The glaciers stopped at New York City. Almost EXACTLY at New York City. Long Island is a terminal moraine- the long pile of debris dumped by the glaciers at their southern end. It didnt reach as far south as Washington DC. But NYC was under a mile of ice.