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04 May 2023, 6:03 pm

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A final version of the resolution that was passed states that "CEA believes that capitalism requires exploitation of children, public schools, land, labor, and/or resources. Capitalism is in opposition to fully addressing systemic racism (the school to prison pipeline), climate change, patriarchy, (gender and LGBTQ disparities), education inequality, and income inequality.
Yep.  They nailed it.  Capitalism exploits children, women, and non-whites.

Slavery happens.  The Civil War happened because of slavery.  America was founded by wealthy white slave-owners who wanted to keep their slaves, their women, and people of color out of schools, skilled professions, and public office.

Today's political right is trying to return America to that same social environment by denying it ever existed, prohibiting the teaching thereof, and attacking anyone who teaches the truth about America's past.

It is not "Communism" to want equal rights, equal justice, and equal opportunity for everybody.  It is not "Communism" to teach the truth about America's past.  It is not "Communism" to oppose a culture of oppression, denial, and institutionalized violence.

It is ordinary common sense.


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I agree with the teachers union.

And I would also add it makes rent and food prices unbearable. A little capitalism is ok but there needs to be enough socialism to reign it in or it goes feral.


Or regulations etc - but yes; Balance.

Instead, the "balance," we have is dictated by those who hold the gold & thus make the rules.. and what do they do? Privatize profits & socialize losses. Take, take, take at every opportunity.. when the gettin's good, get, Get, GET.. and when things go South ? "Waah waah, too big to fail blah blah blah Bailout k thx."

Rather see Project Mayhem succeed in just wiping the slate clean and starting fresh with anything else besides all the failed systemic crap we've had so far.


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04 May 2023, 10:49 pm

Of course, Fox Noise viewers will never hear of this: https://apnews.com/article/supreme-cour ... oon%20Wire


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04 May 2023, 11:19 pm

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So…they want to teach CRT in public schools or something?



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Head of teachers union says critical race theory isn't taught in schools, vows to defend "honest history"

By Caitlin O'Kane

July 8, 2021 / 12:07 PM / CBS News

As the debate over how race is taught in schools continues to be a hot-button issue in many school districts, the president of one of America's largest teachers unions is speaking out against efforts to ban critical race theory. In a speech this week, Randi Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), said critical race theory it is not even taught in elementary schools — and she vowed to fight "culture warriors" who are "bullying teachers."

Republican lawmakers in several states have introduced legislation to restrict how race is taught in schools, many of them aiming to ban critical race theory, a concept developed by legal scholars to examine the ongoing effects of racism in U.S. policies and institutions.

During the AFT conference on Tuesday, Weingarten called the movement against critical race theory a "culture campaign" by Republicans and Fox News that attempts to suppress the truth, "limit learning and stoke fears about our public schools."

"Let's be clear: critical race theory is not taught in elementary schools or high schools. It's a method of examination taught in law school and college that helps analyze whether systemic racism exists — and, in particular, whether it has an effect on law and public policy," Weingarten said. "But culture warriors are labeling any discussion of race, racism or discrimination as CRT to try to make it toxic. They are bullying teachers and trying to stop us from teaching students accurate history."

Opponents of critical race theory claim it is divisive and have sought to ban lessons that they say teach that one group is fundamentally racist. However, scholars say it does not teach that any race is inherently racist or is superior, but looks at how race is ingrained in our history.

Critical race theory is not typically "taught in elementary and secondary schools because it is based in legal theory," Jazmyne Owens, of public policy think tank New America, told CBS News. She said the wave of legislation "is really aimed at erasing and whitewashing American history."

Weingarten said the restrictions on teaching would harm students. "These culture warriors want to deprive students of a robust understanding of our common history," she said. "This will put students at a disadvantage in life by knocking a big hole in their understanding of our country and the world."

Teaching American history, she said, "requires considering all the facts available to us — including those that are uncomfortable — like the history of enslavement and discrimination toward people of color and people perceived as different." She said teachers know they "teach history, not hate."

She said laws restricting lessons on race "impinge on educators' professional obligations — our obligation to teach honest history, as well as to teach current events, like the January 6 attack on the Capitol." ...

..Earlier this year, the National Council for the Social Studies denounced legislation against critical race theory and rejected "any effort by the federal government to silence social studies curriculum that explicitly addresses the centrality of slavery in the historical narrative of the United States."

In addition to legislation being introduced at the state and national levels, parents and administrators are debating the topic at local school board meetings. In a recent article, USA Today Now reporter Ryan Miller detailed how protests and arrests have become common at such meetings.

"This is not necessarily a new thing, to have school board meetings time and time again become a venue for larger national discussions," Miller said in an interview on CBSN.

"You're starting to see national politics latch onto issues around race and racism, ever since the murder of George Floyd last May," Miller said. "As a result, we're seeing a number of conservative think tanks, a number of conservative political groups latch onto critical race theory and then that seeping into the rhetoric of politicians ... and as it starts to go down the chain and onto social media as well, it reaches these meetings and the parents that attend." ...

..."A lot of the legislation is vague, it bans broadly 'racist' or 'sexist' teachings," he said.

Miller said because the language in the legislation is often "nebulous," teachers could fear legal trouble for any teaching about the history of race...


One of those literally true but misleading claims by Randi Weingaten. As mentioned in the article the legal theory CRT is not taught in schools. That does not mean material based on the tenets of CRT ie. "wokeness" is not taught.

New York’s Private Schools Tackle White Privilege. It Has Not Been Easy
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Several years back Grace Church School, an elite private school in Manhattan, embraced an antiracist mission and sought to have students and teachers wrestle with whiteness, racial privilege and bias.

Teachers and students were periodically separated into groups by race, gender and ethnicity. In February 2021, Paul Rossi, a math teacher, and what the school called his “white-identifying” group, met with a white consultant, who displayed a slide that named supposed characteristics of white supremacy. These included individualism, worship of the written word and objectivity.

Mr. Rossi said he felt a twist in his stomach. “Objectivity?” he told the consultant, according to a transcript. “Human attributes are being reduced to racial traits.”

As you look at this list, the consultant asked, are you having “white feelings”?

“What,” Mr. Rossi asked, “makes a feeling ‘white’?”

Some of the high school students then echoed his objections. “I’m so exhausted with being reduced to my race,” a girl said. “The first step of antiracism is to racialize every single dimension of my identity.” Another girl added: “Fighting indoctrination with indoctrination can be dangerous.”

This modest revolt proved fateful. A school official reprimanded Mr. Rossi, accusing him of “creating a neurological imbalance” in students, according to a recording of the conversation. A few days later the head of school wrote a statement and directed teachers to read it aloud in classes.

his is another dispatch from America’s cultural conflicts over schools, this time from a rarefied bubble. Elite private schools from Los Angeles to Washington, D.C., from Boston to Columbus, Ohio, have embraced a mission to end racism by challenging white privilege. A sizable group of parents and teachers say the schools have taken it too far — and enforced suffocating and destructive groupthink on students.

This is nowhere more true than in New York City’s tony forest of private schools.

many private school administrators have tried to reimagine their schools as antiracist institutions, which means, loosely, a school that is actively opposed to any manifestation of racism.

This conflict plays out amid the high peaks of American economic inequality. Tuition at many of New York’s private schools hovers between $53,000 and $58,000, the most expensive tab in the nation. Many heads of school make between $580,000 to more than $1.1 million.

At a time when some public schools are battling over whether to even teach aspects of American history, private school administrators portray uprooting racial bias as morally urgent and demanding of reiteration. Some steps are practical: They have added Black, Latino and Asian authors, and expanded course offerings to better encompass America and the world in its complications.

Other steps are much more personal. The interim head of the Dalton School, Ellen Stein, who is white, spoke five years ago of writing a racial biography of herself to better understand biases and to communicate with “other races.” The Brearley School declared itself an antiracist school with mandatory antiracism training for parents, faculty and trustees and affirmed the importance of meeting regularly in groups that bring together people who share a common race or gender.

Kindergarten students at Riverdale Country School in the Bronx are taught to identify their skin color by mixing paint colors. The lower school chief in an email last year instructed parents to avoid talk of colorblindness and “acknowledge racial differences.”

More broadly, Ms. Haakmat said, private schools need to sidestep white old boy networks in hiring and integrate antiracism into the curriculum: If you teach statistics, why not touch on economic and racial inequality? Or use biology classes to teach of eugenics and how race has framed the way we think of humans? That, she said, “is thoughtful antiracism.”

Critics, a mixed lot of parents and teachers, argue that aspects of the new curriculums edge toward recreating the racially segregated spaces of an earlier age. They say the insistent emphasis on skin color and race is reductive and some teenagers learn to adopt the language of antiracism and wield it against peers.

The nerves of some parents were not soothed when more than 100 teachers and staff members applauded Dalton’s antiracism curriculum and proposed two dozen steps to extend it, including calling on the school to abolish any advanced course in which Black students performed worse than students who are not Black.

A group of Dalton parents wrote their own letter to the school this year: “We have spoken with dozens of families of all colors and backgrounds who are in shock and looking for an alternative school.”

This upswell of parental anger, fed also by discontent with Dalton’s decision to teach only online last fall, led the head of school, Jim Best, who is white, to leave on July 1. Dalton’s diversity chief resigned under fire in February.

Bion Bartning, who notes that his heritage is a mix of Jewish, Mexican and Yaqui tribe, pulled his children out of Riverdale and created a foundation to argue against this sort of antiracist education. “The insistence on teaching race consciousness is a fundamental shift into a sort of tribalism,” he said.


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o what extent, if at all, are critical race theory (CRT) and gender ideology being taught or promoted in America’s schools? With little data available, and no agreement about what constitutes the teaching of critical social justice (CSJ) ideas, the answer up to now has remained open to political interpretation.

Motivated by the work of Manhattan Institute senior fellow and City Journal contributing editor Christopher F. Rufo, many on the right allege that CRT-related concepts—such as systemic racism and white privilege—are infiltrating the curricula of public schools around the country. Educators following these curricula are said to be teaching students that racial disparities in socioeconomic outcomes are fundamentally the result of racism, and that white people are the privileged beneficiaries of a social system that oppresses blacks and other “people of color.” On gender, they are being taught that gender identity is a choice, regardless of biological sex. But are the cases Rufo and others point to representative of American public schools at large—or are they merely outliers amplified by right-wing media?

The response to these charges from many on the left has been to deny or downplay them. CRT, they contend, is a legal theory taught only in university law programs. Therefore, what conservatives are up in arms about is not the teaching of CRT, but the teaching of America’s uncomfortable racial history.

But strong connections exist between the cultural radicalism of CRT and the one-sided, decontextualized portrayal of American history and society that Democratic activists endorse. And these ideas have also influenced many Democratic voters. Indeed, according to a 2021 YouGov survey, large majorities of Democratic respondents support public schools’ teaching many of the morally and empirically contentious ideas to which opponents of CRT object. These include the notions that racism is systemic in America (85 percent support), that all disparities between blacks and whites are caused by discrimination (72 percent), that white people enjoy certain privileges based on their race (85 percent), and that they have a responsibility to address racial inequality (87 percent).

Whatever one thinks of these ideas, they are hardly “settled facts” on the same epistemic plane as heliocentrism, natural selection, or even climate change. To the contrary, they are a moral-ideological just-so theory of group differences, an all-encompassing worldview akin to a secular religion, whose claims can’t be measured, tested, or falsified. They treat an observed phenomenon (disparate group outcomes) as evidence of its cause (racism), while specifying causal mechanisms that are nebulous, if not magical. Their advocates have not refuted counterarguments; they’ve merely asserted empirically unverified statements about the nature of group differences.

Publicly funded schools that teach and pass off left-wing racial-ideological theories and concepts as if they are undisputed factual knowledge—or that impart tendentiously curated readings of history—are therefore engaging in indoctrination, not education. The question before us, then, is not whether or to what extent public schools are assigning the works of Richard Delgado, Kimberlé Crenshaw, and other critical race theorists. It is whether schools are uncritically promoting a left-wing racial ideology.

o answer this and other related questions, we commissioned a study on a nationally representative sample of 1,505 18- to 20-year-old Americans—a demographic that has yet to graduate from, or only recently graduated from, high school. A complete Manhattan Institute report of all the findings from this study will be published in the coming months; what follows is a preview of some of them. Our analysis here focuses mainly on the results for the sample overall rather than for various subgroups.

We began by asking our 18- to 20-year-old respondents (82.4 percent of whom reported attending public schools) whether they had ever been taught in class or heard about from an adult at school each of six concepts—four of which are central to critical race theory. The chart below, which displays the distribution of responses for each concept, shows that “been taught” is the modal response for all but one of the six concepts. For the CRT-related concepts, 62 percent reported either being taught in class or hearing from an adult in school that “America is a systemically racist country,” 69 percent reported being taught or hearing that “white people have white privilege,” 57 percent reported being taught or hearing that “white people have unconscious biases that negatively affect non-white people,” and 67 percent reported being taught or hearing that “America is built on stolen land.” The shares giving either response with respect to gender-related concepts are slightly lower, but still a majority. Fifty-three percent report they were either taught in class or heard from an adult at school that “America is a patriarchal society,” and 51 percent report being taught or hearing that “gender is an identity choice” regardless of biological sex.
We also wanted to assess whether certain concepts were more likely to be taught in some educational contexts than in others. To this end, we separately asked respondents whether, “in high school, college, or other educational settings,” they were ever taught that “discrimination is the main reason for differences in wealth or other outcomes between races or genders” or that “there are many genders, not just male and female.” Overall, excluding those who didn’t know, 62 percent were taught that discrimination is the main reason for outcome gaps and a third were taught that there are many genders. As shown in the chart below (which includes “don’t know” answers), statistically significant (if only modest) differences emerged between respondents with no versus at least some prior college instruction: 58 percent and 26 percent of those in the latter group, respectively, report having been taught these two concepts, compared with 50 percent and 25 percent of those in the former. Far from being the preserve of academic curricula, then, CSJ ideas central to contemporary left-wing racial and gender ideology are being taught to students before they arrive at college.

For instance, 93 percent of respondents reported either being taught (85 percent) or hearing from an adult at school about at least one of the eight listed concepts, with an average of 4.3 concepts; 90 percent reported either being taught (80 percent) or hearing about at least one of the five CRT-related concepts, with an average of 3.0 concepts; and 74 percent reported either being taught (54 percent) or hearing about at least one of the three gender-related concepts, with an average of 1.3 concepts. While these figures are for the sample overall, they do not meaningfully differ by school type. Levels of exposure were similar regardless of whether respondents reported attending public or private high schools.

Perhaps it’s wrong to assume that the teaching of these CSJ concepts necessarily amounts to ideological indoctrination. After all, such concepts are salient on social and other media, and have also been uttered or invoked by prominent politicians. Perhaps, then, most teachers are merely using them as fodder for healthy classroom debate or presenting them as perspectives among other competing ideas.

Yet our data suggest that this is hardly the majority experience. Specifically, we asked those who reported being taught at least one of the listed concepts in a high school class what, if anything, they were taught about arguments opposing them. As shown in the chart below, 68 percent responded that they either were not taught about opposing arguments or were taught that there are no “respectable” opposing arguments. Importantly, this rate does not meaningfully vary by race, political orientation, or high school type. Whites (30 percent) and nonwhites (34 percent), Democrats (29 percent) and Republicans (31 percent), liberals (29 percent) and conservatives (31 percent), and public (32 percent) and private or parochial (28 percent) schoolers were equally likely to report being told about respectable counterarguments. No evidence, then, suggests that this response reflects respondents’ political biases. Instead, the data suggest that large majorities in all groups have been given the impression that the concepts they were taught are beyond reproach. And these data hardly tell the full story: in our forthcoming report, we additionally show that the number of concepts respondents report being taught is positively related to the probability of being told there that opposing arguments are not “respectable.”

If this isn’t indoctrination—unwitting or otherwise—then what is?


As for the original idea of the thread.
Capitalism is bad does not equate to Communism good.

As mentioned in another thread "Wokeness" is not Communism as "Wokeness" centers on identity Communism centers on class.


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04 May 2023, 11:28 pm

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Of course, Fox Noise viewers will never hear of this: https://apnews.com/article/supreme-cour ... oon%20Wire

Guilt by association. Clarence Thomas's corruption has nothing to do with what is taught in the schools.


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04 May 2023, 11:36 pm

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As for the original idea of the thread.
Capitalism is bad does not equate to Communism good.

As mentioned in another thread "Wokeness" is not Communism as "Wokeness" centers on identity Communism centers on class.


Wut? :?

Wokeness centres on knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc not sure how a catchall term for those things = identity.

Communism, like capitalism, is a system of government & economics.. not sure how you get class out of that ? Maybe you’re thinking of a Caste system ??


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04 May 2023, 11:52 pm

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As for the original idea of the thread.
Capitalism is bad does not equate to Communism good.

As mentioned in another thread "Wokeness" is not Communism as "Wokeness" centers on identity Communism centers on class.


Wut? :?

Wokeness centres on knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc not sure how a catchall term for those things = identity.

Communism, like capitalism, is a system of government & economics.. not sure how you get class out of that ? Maybe you’re thinking of a Caste system ??


The economic solution in communism is based on two classes the exploiting owners and the exploited workers.


Ok, one more time
What Wokeness is circa early 2020s
Woke or Wokeness is a loose term to describe a way of looking at the world. In the American context, it means.

America is a systematically racist country and has been from the get-go.

Racism and privilege are not a matter of individual circumstances but are about power dynamics. If you are white you automatically have white privilege, if you are NT you automatically have NT privilege etc. The same is true about being racist, ableist etc.

Color blindness and merit are just excuses meant to deflect from privilege and racism.

Presentism. Historical figures should be judged not by their times but by today's (meaning woke) standards.

People should be mainly judged by their groups and assumed privilege or oppression based on said groups.

Any other way of thinking or nuanced way of thinking needs to be extinguished and people who disagree with wokeness othered and canceled.

If you agree with the above woke is a good word. If you disagree it is a dirty word.

What wokeness is not
Racism is bad. (Because who can be against that except racists? right?)

Any liberal or progressive opinion snowflake MAGA's don't agree with.


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04 May 2023, 11:57 pm

It seems you have some distorted thoughts about wokeness as well as what you consider good & bad.

If you pursued a bit more knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc aka were a bit more woke then maybe you’d come to different conclusions about things and people and maybe wouldn’t have the biases you exhibit.


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05 May 2023, 12:28 am

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It seems you have some distorted thoughts about wokeness as well as what you consider good & bad.

If you pursued a bit more knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc aka were a bit more woke then maybe you’d come to different conclusions about things and people and maybe wouldn’t have the biases you exhibit.


In other words, if I want to be enlightened I have to agree with your way of thinking. Actually, by ignoring my criticism of the MAGA's you demonstrate one aspect of wokeness. One is either 100 percent right or one is wrong.


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05 May 2023, 5:17 am

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It seems you have some distorted thoughts about wokeness as well as what you consider good & bad.

If you pursued a bit more knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc aka were a bit more woke then maybe you’d come to different conclusions about things and people and maybe wouldn’t have the biases you exhibit.

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05 May 2023, 7:29 am

Wokeness involves a lot of silliness and I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I can't understand why people have to campaign against it especially when those people seem to have fairly progressive or at least moderate views otherwise.


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Communism is better than what many of the red states have.


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05 May 2023, 8:46 am

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Of course, Fox Noise viewers will never hear of this: https://apnews.com/article/supreme-cour ... oon%20Wire

Guilt by association. Clarence Thomas's corruption has nothing to do with what is taught in the schools.


I was addressing the issue of what is being taught by Fox Noise. The thoughts of some random teacher in Colorado are of miniscule importance, even if true. It is just something calculated to give Fox Noise viewers their outrage fix. Meanwhile, something that is actually important--the behavior of a Supreme Court justice--is completely ignored.



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05 May 2023, 10:32 am

I don't like the promotion of communism. I'm for capitalism because capitalism means jobs and freedom of speech. Capitalism means tradition.


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05 May 2023, 10:52 am

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Capitalism means tradition.


Capitalism and communism are both threats to tradition.

Communism will happily replace traditions that don't serve it's interests and capitalism will happily allow the market to replace traditions if it makes someone a buck.

Most of the erosion of traditions within liberal/capitalist societies that hardline traditionalists complain about is the result of a mix of freedom of choice and the market offering alternatives, it's not the fault of some irrelevant ideology like communism.


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It's not propaganda if it's true.


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Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented...

In the 20th century, the English term propaganda was often associated with a manipulative approach, but historically, propaganda has been a neutral descriptive term of any material that promotes certain opinions or ideologies...

...Propaganda was conceptualized as a form of influence designed to build social consensus. In the 20th century, the term propaganda emerged along with the rise of mass media, including newspapers and radio. As researchers began studying the effects of media, they used suggestion theory to explain how people could be influenced by emotionally-resonant persuasive messages. Harold Lasswell provided a broad definition of the term propaganda, writing it as: "the expression of opinions or actions carried out deliberately by individuals or groups with a view to influencing the opinions or actions of other individuals or groups for predetermined ends and through psychological manipulations."...



Being "true" does not mean that something is not "propaganda." Although, we all know that the Fox Noise Machine cares less about the "truth" than it does about influencing viewers with "emotionally-resonant persuasive messages."


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