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05 May 2023, 9:26 pm

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It seems you have some distorted thoughts about wokeness as well as what you consider good & bad.

If you pursued a bit more knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc aka were a bit more woke then maybe you’d come to different conclusions about things and people and maybe wouldn’t have the biases you exhibit.

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Please don't talk to people this way. You are here to have a discussion, not to preach.


Thanks, but I took it as constructive criticism, not a personal attack. We all have biases and could use more enlightenment.

I should respond.

My opinion on wokeness is based on reading about and being enlightened on the subject. I think goldfish21 has a dated view of what wokeness is about. That is kind of ironic in that part of wokeness is about altering the definition of words, particularly racism, and privilege.


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05 May 2023, 10:05 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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goldfish21 wrote:
It seems you have some distorted thoughts about wokeness as well as what you consider good & bad.

If you pursued a bit more knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc aka were a bit more woke then maybe you’d come to different conclusions about things and people and maybe wouldn’t have the biases you exhibit.

The_Walrus acting as moderator wrote:
Please don't talk to people this way. You are here to have a discussion, not to preach.


Thanks, but I took it as constructive criticism, not a personal attack. We all have biases and could use more enlightenment.

I should respond.

My opinion on wokeness is based on reading about and being enlightened on the subject. I think goldfish21 has a dated view of what wokeness is about. That is kind of ironic in that part of wokeness is about altering the definition of words, particularly racism, and privilege.

I’m curious to know who’s telling you your updated definitions of so called wokeness? :chin: Self proclaimed woke folk, or some propaganda talking head stoking the flames of culture wars for division’s sake? :?


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05 May 2023, 10:31 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
It seems you have some distorted thoughts about wokeness as well as what you consider good & bad.

If you pursued a bit more knowledge, enlightenment, self awareness, self reflection, empathy, relationships, progress, critical thinking etc etc aka were a bit more woke then maybe you’d come to different conclusions about things and people and maybe wouldn’t have the biases you exhibit.

The_Walrus acting as moderator wrote:
Please don't talk to people this way. You are here to have a discussion, not to preach.


Thanks, but I took it as constructive criticism, not a personal attack. We all have biases and could use more enlightenment.

I should respond.

My opinion on wokeness is based on reading about and being enlightened on the subject. I think goldfish21 has a dated view of what wokeness is about. That is kind of ironic in that part of wokeness is about altering the definition of words, particularly racism, and privilege.

I’m curious to know who’s telling you your updated definitions of so called wokeness? :chin: Self proclaimed woke folk, or some propaganda talking head stoking the flames of culture wars for division’s sake? :?


Some who are using it for nefarious purposes but have their claims documented. People who disagree with illiberalism and emphasis on group identity over individual circumstances who call what they disagree with "woke". I have three years of links you can look at.


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06 May 2023, 2:27 am

The Founding Fathers were Racist and Sexist.  The Constitution they wrote enabled slavery for over 80 years, and the oppression of women for over 140 years.  The United States of America was founded on the basis of racism, sexism, and institutionalized genocide of its Native Americans.

I am glad I now live in the Philippines.


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06 May 2023, 2:46 am

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I don't like the promotion of communism. I'm for capitalism because capitalism means jobs and freedom of speech. Capitalism means tradition.


Capitalism means exploitation. Socialism also means jobs, but you get basic things like healthcare and housing even if you've ran into hard times.

Capitalism will exploit a tradition before they spread it, notice how most holidays are basically just a way for big businesses to make a buck, there is no magic about them anymore it's all just a big advertising ploy.


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06 May 2023, 5:25 am

Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  Under Communism, it is the other way around.


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06 May 2023, 10:39 am

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Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  Under Communism, it is the other way around.

Under capitalism, man is free to exploit man.

Under Communism, man is compelled to exploit man.



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06 May 2023, 12:18 pm

From the Book of Acts

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All the believers continued together in close fellowship and shared their belongings with one another. They would sell their property and possessions, and distribute the money among all, according to what each one needed. Day after day they met as a group in the Temple, and they had their meals together in their homes, eating with glad and humble hearts...

...The group of believers was one in mind and heart. None of them said that any of their belongings were their own, but they all shared with one another everything they had. With great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God poured rich blessings on them all. There was no one in the group who was in need. Those who owned fields or houses would sell them, bring the money received from the sale, and turn it over to the apostles; and the money was distributed according to the needs of the people...


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06 May 2023, 1:44 pm

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From the Book of Acts

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All the believers continued together in close fellowship and shared their belongings with one another. They would sell their property and possessions, and distribute the money among all, according to what each one needed. Day after day they met as a group in the Temple, and they had their meals together in their homes, eating with glad and humble hearts...

...The group of believers was one in mind and heart. None of them said that any of their belongings were their own, but they all shared with one another everything they had. With great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God poured rich blessings on them all. There was no one in the group who was in need. Those who owned fields or houses would sell them, bring the money received from the sale, and turn it over to the apostles; and the money was distributed according to the needs of the people...



So jesus was a communist... :lol:
That is probably why he was killed for being too progressive for his time, not because of the cultish belief he was the son of god.


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06 May 2023, 2:08 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Honey69 wrote:
From the Book of Acts

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All the believers continued together in close fellowship and shared their belongings with one another. They would sell their property and possessions, and distribute the money among all, according to what each one needed. Day after day they met as a group in the Temple, and they had their meals together in their homes, eating with glad and humble hearts...

...The group of believers was one in mind and heart. None of them said that any of their belongings were their own, but they all shared with one another everything they had. With great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God poured rich blessings on them all. There was no one in the group who was in need. Those who owned fields or houses would sell them, bring the money received from the sale, and turn it over to the apostles; and the money was distributed according to the needs of the people...



So jesus was a communist... :lol:
That is probably why he was killed for being too progressive for his time, not because of the cultish belief he was the son of god.

Had nothing to do with it.

Don’t forget, the church described in Acts was a colossal failure. Ananias and Saphyra were parasites and a danger to the early church. They didn’t deserve to live. When other believers realized the seriousness of committing to such a lifestyle, many avoided joining or left completely.

The church mentioned in Acts was a fellowship of believers who did those things WILLINGLY. They weren’t forced or coerced into it.

That’s the problem of communism. Monarchists can’t choose to still be monarchists. There is no reward for achievement because achievement means you did something better than someone else or you did something nobody else did. You’re not allowed to be good at something because that would be unfair to, say, someone who is disabled. You’re not allowed to have more personal property than someone else unless EVERYONE can have more personal property. Actually, there’s no such thing as personal property, but the government has the ability to redistribute wealth based on what is available. And these are only the PROMISES of communism. The reality is that the military and academic elites are in charge of ruling, making their wealth on the backs of the workers. The workers cannot be allowed the luxury of wealth since having it means living free of oppression. The poor underclass must always REMAIN the underclass in order to maintain a revolutionary government and preserve communist power structures.

Christians in the early church at least had the right to leave. Under communism, everyone is (only) free to make the same choice.



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06 May 2023, 2:17 pm

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The church mentioned in Acts was a fellowship of believers who did those things WILLINGLY. They weren’t forced or coerced into it.


Oh?

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But there was a man named Ananias, who with his wife Sapphira sold some property that belonged to them. But with his wife's agreement he kept part of the money for himself and turned the rest over to the apostles. Peter said to him, “Ananias, why did you let Satan take control of you and make you lie to the Holy Spirit by keeping part of the money you received for the property? Before you sold the property, it belonged to you; and after you sold it, the money was yours. Why, then, did you decide to do such a thing? You have not lied to people—you have lied to God!” As soon as Ananias heard this, he fell down dead; and all who heard about it were terrified. The young men came in, wrapped up his body, carried him out, and buried him.

About three hours later his wife, not knowing what had happened, came in. Peter asked her, “Tell me, was this the full amount you and your husband received for your property?”

“Yes,” she answered, “the full amount.”

So Peter said to her, “Why did you and your husband decide to put the Lord's Spirit to the test? The men who buried your husband are at the door right now, and they will carry you out too!” At once she fell down at his feet and died. The young men came in and saw that she was dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. The whole church and all the others who heard of this were terrified.



Coercion was certainly a key element.

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Christians in the early church at least had the right to leave.


They could have told Ananias and Sapphira to go away, instead of killing them, and terrifying everyone.


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06 May 2023, 2:20 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Honey69 wrote:
From the Book of Acts

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All the believers continued together in close fellowship and shared their belongings with one another. They would sell their property and possessions, and distribute the money among all, according to what each one needed. Day after day they met as a group in the Temple, and they had their meals together in their homes, eating with glad and humble hearts...

...The group of believers was one in mind and heart. None of them said that any of their belongings were their own, but they all shared with one another everything they had. With great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God poured rich blessings on them all. There was no one in the group who was in need. Those who owned fields or houses would sell them, bring the money received from the sale, and turn it over to the apostles; and the money was distributed according to the needs of the people...



So jesus was a communist... :lol:
That is probably why he was killed for being too progressive for his time, not because of the cultish belief he was the son of god.

Had nothing to do with it.

Don’t forget, the church described in Acts was a colossal failure. Ananias and Saphyra were parasites and a danger to the early church. They didn’t deserve to live. When other believers realized the seriousness of committing to such a lifestyle, many avoided joining or left completely.

The church mentioned in Acts was a fellowship of believers who did those things WILLINGLY. They weren’t forced or coerced into it.

That’s the problem of communism. Monarchists can’t choose to still be monarchists. There is no reward for achievement because achievement means you did something better than someone else or you did something nobody else did. You’re not allowed to be good at something because that would be unfair to, say, someone who is disabled. You’re not allowed to have more personal property than someone else unless EVERYONE can have more personal property. Actually, there’s no such thing as personal property, but the government has the ability to redistribute wealth based on what is available. And these are only the PROMISES of communism. The reality is that the military and academic elites are in charge of ruling, making their wealth on the backs of the workers. The workers cannot be allowed the luxury of wealth since having it means living free of oppression. The poor underclass must always REMAIN the underclass in order to maintain a revolutionary government and preserve communist power structures.

Christians in the early church at least had the right to leave. Under communism, everyone is (only) free to make the same choice.


Ok so he at least was into the idea of smaller communes. I can agree communism would not work on a large scale, hence why I am not a communist.

That said though it's the same thing you say with capitalism, workers cannot be allowed the luxury of wealth to maintain capitalist power structures. Why do you think there is so much effort to divide the poor so they fight against each other than the real problem. In communism they use the lie that you are working for a great cause by being exploited to keep up morale. In capitalism they focus on encouraging the poor to get into a lot of in-fighting about race, sex, gender rights, religion ect to make it harder for them to stand together against the wealthy billionaires who are exploiting us all and influencing the government far too much.


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06 May 2023, 2:39 pm

And Florida schools promote fascism.


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06 May 2023, 2:52 pm

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I don't like the promotion of communism. I'm for capitalism because capitalism means jobs and freedom of speech. Capitalism means tradition.


Capitalism means exploitation. Socialism also means jobs, but you get basic things like healthcare and housing even if you've ran into hard times.

You can do that under capitalism too. You get better healthcare and housing in capitalist Norway than in socialist North Korea or even socialist Vietnam. It's much easier to raise the necessary tax revenue in a capitalist society than a socialist one.



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06 May 2023, 3:32 pm

Well, Americans would label Norway as a "socialist" country.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/ ... ie-sanders


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06 May 2023, 5:20 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I don't like the promotion of communism. I'm for capitalism because capitalism means jobs and freedom of speech. Capitalism means tradition.


Capitalism means exploitation. Socialism also means jobs, but you get basic things like healthcare and housing even if you've ran into hard times.

You can do that under capitalism too. You get better healthcare and housing in capitalist Norway than in socialist North Korea or even socialist Vietnam. It's much easier to raise the necessary tax revenue in a capitalist society than a socialist one.


Weirdly, 'socialist' China and Vietnam are pretty capitalist, by the standards of hardline socialism.
The capitalist west is pretty socialist, by the standards of hardline capitalism.

The reality is synthesis of ideologies is constant and inevitable, we're always seeking to learn from and build upon earlier ideas and practices.


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