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25 May 2023, 10:29 pm

High rates of violence against the trans community.
https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-vio ... ty-in-2022


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25 May 2023, 10:45 pm

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I think people who say trans people, blacks, other minority group here get "Special Protection" are forgetting that prior to this "Special Protection," they were at a disadvantage in society (and still very much are), and due to their inherent privilege cannot see that they were born and grew up with this "Special Protection" (read: equal rights), so they see other groups getting on their same level and are appalled that this new guy is being treated better than them.

You're right. "Special Protection" was a wrong choice of words. What I should have said was "Preferential Treatment."

The only thing "equal" about it is that some segments of society are "more equal" than others.


Yeah. Employment and housing discrimination are preferential treatment. Being at risk every day for violence. There is no preferential treatment for trans people.



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25 May 2023, 10:46 pm

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Umm, gays are ok but hating trans ppl is all the rage?

Wtf

It’s LGBT, has been for 50+ years. Same rights to all the ppl represented under that acronym. Hell, the entire lgbt rights movement was started by a black trans woman at the Stonewall riots.

If your post is representative of your country.. what a backwards place. Everyone should be beyond this stupid bickering about who deserves basic human dignity and who it’s ok to hate.


TBH, I don't really get why it's OK to hate on the trans and bi portion of the LGBTQIA+ community. It seems both petty and wrong to me. Fundamentally, what trans people do doesn't really impact me in any sort of reasonable way, in the same way that my being bi doesn't really affect other people in any sort of reasonable way other than the people that I'm interacting with romantically.

I feel really sorry for people that think that they have some sort of obligation to smack these people.It must be sad to have so little going on in their own lives that this is a real concern to have.



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25 May 2023, 11:34 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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Umm, gays are ok but hating trans ppl is all the rage?

Wtf

It’s LGBT, has been for 50+ years. Same rights to all the ppl represented under that acronym. Hell, the entire lgbt rights movement was started by a black trans woman at the Stonewall riots.

If your post is representative of your country.. what a backwards place. Everyone should be beyond this stupid bickering about who deserves basic human dignity and who it’s ok to hate.


TBH, I don't really get why it's OK to hate on the trans and bi portion of the LGBTQIA+ community. It seems both petty and wrong to me. Fundamentally, what trans people do doesn't really impact me in any sort of reasonable way, in the same way that my being bi doesn't really affect other people in any sort of reasonable way other than the people that I'm interacting with romantically.

I feel really sorry for people that think that they have some sort of obligation to smack these people.It must be sad to have so little going on in their own lives that this is a real concern to have.

:heart: :heart: :heart:


I don’t think it’s an actually concern in their lives. It’s just who the right wing media echo chamber told them to hate for the moment, so, they’re hating. Buncha zombies.


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26 May 2023, 12:01 am

I do feel sad that Pride displays inspire such hatred in some groups of people. Can they just not buy items they don't want and let others enjoy their purchases? We seem to be losing more freedom every day in this country.



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26 May 2023, 7:24 am

Once upon a time : i went to a city counsel meeting , no too long ago and saw a large black woman , whom expressed opinions on black lives matter , One of a few people signed up to speak at the meeting , the other was a Transwoman . The person evidently of black descent went on somewhat incoherently about how she felt and her opinion then she sat down , and the sec. of city counsel was also a smaller black woman . One would think that naturally there would a process, people speak in order ? Then the blackwoman was recognised a second time in a row to speak, (same person)
So as the meeting ended the secretary calked for any other opinions. And the transwoman ,in a very business like suite stood up and interrupted and said ,i would like to speak, i am on the list , And seems you passed me over ,she said , Then the Counsel secretary motioned to the Master of arms , a Police major , and as the transwoman before
they even recognized her to speak , Was accosted and shuffled out of the council chambers immediately by the police officer,. No explanation why or wherefore . And the meeting was quickly closed . This caused me to lose faith in my cities abilities to hold fair or impartial public meetings . 8O :o :( . Had been to several meetings there before , just to see what was up in my city. Had never seen this Woman who was escorted out before before or since .
You may judge for yourselves. 8O :nerdy:


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26 May 2023, 2:19 pm

AngelRho wrote:
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Who? "All these segments..."

Why? "Many reasons..."

The gotcha is you rightly suspect something is wrong with the answer, so you refuse to give one.


You seem to be expecting something complicated to be broken down into a one line response. Badgering that I won't do so demonstrates that bad faith motives your question.

It's not a very good gotcha because most people understand what groups might count and how there's multiple factors in play that contribute.

But, for some examples, racism contributes to the marginalization of ethnic minority communities, sexism contributes to the marginalization of women, homophobia and transphobia contribute to the marginalization of queer peoples, etc.

Are you going to insist those groups aren't marginalized or can you concede to reality now? :chin:
Playing dumb in regards to reality isn't the same debunking it.

I’m not the one refusing to answer some questions. What are some specific reasons why trans people feel marginalized?


You can probably start with being targets of discrimination in housing and employment, as Twolf mentioned.

Now add in being targets for both harassment and violence. Then when it occurs, the police aren't going to be of any help.

Instead of asking to be spoon-fed, you could always research these things on your own.

It's hard to tell if your questions are just coming from a deeply ignorant place or intentional bad faith because they're that uninformed.


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26 May 2023, 2:34 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Who? "All these segments..."

Why? "Many reasons..."

The gotcha is you rightly suspect something is wrong with the answer, so you refuse to give one.


You seem to be expecting something complicated to be broken down into a one line response. Badgering that I won't do so demonstrates that bad faith motives your question.

It's not a very good gotcha because most people understand what groups might count and how there's multiple factors in play that contribute.

But, for some examples, racism contributes to the marginalization of ethnic minority communities, sexism contributes to the marginalization of women, homophobia and transphobia contribute to the marginalization of queer peoples, etc.

Are you going to insist those groups aren't marginalized or can you concede to reality now? :chin:
Playing dumb in regards to reality isn't the same debunking it.

I’m not the one refusing to answer some questions. What are some specific reasons why trans people feel marginalized?


You can probably start with being targets of discrimination in housing and employment, as Twolf mentioned.

Now add in being targets for both harassment and violence. Then when it occurs, the police aren't going to be of any help.

Instead of asking to be spoon-fed, you could always research these things on your own.

It's hard to tell if your questions are just coming from a deeply ignorant place or intentional bad faith because they're that uninformed.

Maybe he thinks the high rate of murder of trans people is just cleansing them of their sins ? Perspective can make a big difference. Some see high rates of violent acts and murders for no particular reason, others may see it as doing God's work.

But somehow I doubt it's possible for anyone who spends much time on the internet at all to have not noticed any news headlines about the fact that trans people are murdered at a rate far higher than the general population in the USA, and that that murder rate nearly Doubled over 4 years from 2017-2021. So, for anyone to suggest that trans people are not marginalized or treated differently for being trans, especially in the USA lately, is completely bonkers.


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26 May 2023, 2:53 pm



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26 May 2023, 5:09 pm

AngelRho wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Who? "All these segments..."

Why? "Many reasons..."

The gotcha is you rightly suspect something is wrong with the answer, so you refuse to give one.


You seem to be expecting something complicated to be broken down into a one line response. Badgering that I won't do so demonstrates that bad faith motives your question.

It's not a very good gotcha because most people understand what groups might count and how there's multiple factors in play that contribute.

But, for some examples, racism contributes to the marginalization of ethnic minority communities, sexism contributes to the marginalization of women, homophobia and transphobia contribute to the marginalization of queer peoples, etc.

Are you going to insist those groups aren't marginalized or can you concede to reality now? :chin:
Playing dumb in regards to reality isn't the same debunking it.

I’m not the one refusing to answer some questions. What are some specific reasons why trans people feel marginalized?


It's 2023 and people are still asking how trans gender are marginalized? People are going to be jaded to answer because there is information out there online if you are curious to know. Search engine is your friend. Start watching stuff by trans people and actually listen to what they say and how they experience discrimination.


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26 May 2023, 5:21 pm

Late to the party but does have something to do with this?



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27 May 2023, 1:39 am

Ha ha before shopping Target you should know they have great bath towels, I just bought one, it was 20 bucks but it's a nice towel very absorbent and good to dry up with but also nice and soft...beats the selection at walmart. So if anyone takes anything from this thread it should be that Target towels are great so if you need a new bath towel or two you should shop target. But do not rip yourself off by buying furniture there it is stupid expensive for being basically walmart furniture just with a target label slapped on instead,


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27 May 2023, 1:53 am

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It's 2023 and people are still asking how trans gender are marginalized? People are going to be jaded to answer because there is information out there online if you are curious to know. Search engine is your friend. Start watching stuff by trans people and actually listen to what they say and how they experience discrimination.


No, my personal frustration with having to explain something that should be f*****g obvious is proof that it's not a real issue. :nerdy:

Obviously.

It doesn't matter how many explanations he could find if only he'd bother looking, all it takes to disprove something you're ignorant of is a bad faith gotcha.


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27 May 2023, 9:03 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Ha ha before shopping Target you should know they have great bath towels, I just bought one, it was 20 bucks but it's a nice towel very absorbent and good to dry up with but also nice and soft...beats the selection at walmart. So if anyone takes anything from this thread it should be that Target towels are great so if you need a new bath towel or two you should shop target. But do not rip yourself off by buying furniture there it is stupid expensive for being basically walmart furniture just with a target label slapped on instead,


True.
They have some of the best cotton sheets as well. You have to be careful what you choose though. I love the christian Robinson pillow fort ones with polka dots but it seems they were one of those brief designer sales. $20 for a 3 piece twin set. You would be well served shopping for sheets etc on black Friday in the states if you can time that.



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27 May 2023, 1:02 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Ha ha before shopping Target you should know they have great bath towels, I just bought one, it was 20 bucks but it's a nice towel very absorbent and good to dry up with but also nice and soft...beats the selection at walmart. So if anyone takes anything from this thread it should be that Target towels are great so if you need a new bath towel or two you should shop target. But do not rip yourself off by buying furniture there it is stupid expensive for being basically walmart furniture just with a target label slapped on instead,

A Good towel for $20 is a deal.

Furniture is something that's ridiculously expensive and I have no idea why some people value it as highly as they do. I mean, sure, I LIKE the look of some artsy tables and such.. but I'd have to be a multi-Millionaire to consider dropping 3-5 grand+ on a coffee table and so on.

A friend who works at walmart just scored a large patio furniture set for half price because one of the boxes was damaged. Still $600, but, that beats $1200 + 12% tax. It's crazy how much people pay for furniture when there is so much used furniture for free or cheap! I can imagine buying a new bed, but damned near every other stick of furniture I ever own in my life will be free or cheap. I know it takes time to make stuff, and it's big and bulky to transport.. but still - why spend thousands when you can spend hundreds and have something just as functional and comfortable? Might have to patiently wait for just the right things to come up for sale but so what. I can't imagine ever spending new car kind of money on a bunch of furniture throughout a house Unless by some small miracle I had tons and tons of money.. yet it seems a LOT of people do it - and often buy stuff that's kind of crappily made for the money vs. older stuff that was built Solid.


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28 May 2023, 5:04 am

I don't think I've ever seen any LGBTQ displays at Australian Target


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