I am going to make a Nazi comparison

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I know, I have railed against this here for years. I even started a thread about it.

Here it goes. The anti-trans backlash does remind me of Germany in 1933. While not the Nuremberg Laws the anti trans laws are trying to separate transgender people from society. The continuing intense incitement is reminiscent of the Nazis. No, this is not the Nuremberg Laws or Kristallnacht for now, but unlike the things mentioned in that original thread it is not people disagreeing with government policy, these are government laws and officials doing the inciting. This is metastasizing, it is going to get violent and deadly fast.

I understand people have honest disagreements about how many genders there are and what should be taught in schools which to our credit we on WP debate civility. Agree or not Europe is revisiting and walking back on some treatments without nearly the degree of incitement we have.

Agree or not that trans people are succumbing to some sort of mass mania, they are people, and what is going on is the very last thing they need. I am going to say something that is hypothetical and white and cis splaining but if I was transgender I would be more frightened right now than if I was black.

The comparison is not without justification. I have said before, Americans have been primed (almost cult-like) for this type of thinking against marganlised groups from the moment they started burning young women in Salem.

They taught the Nazis a lot about how to operate a dysfunctional society clandestinely for centuries. The nazis only lasted one decade.

Transphobia being used to motivate violence is the objective. If you think back on the career of Donald Trump you will quickly see that all sorts of pretexts have been created to motivate violence, for example sending Proud Boys and Oath Keepers with their arsenals into cities as a way to deal with "BLM riots" or rigging the outcome of Kyle Rittenhouse's trial so that a 17-year-old with an AR-15 would be worshipped as a hero, culminating (for now) in the 6 January Putsch at the end of Trump's term in office. And transphobia is just another way to invite more armed mobs to the party.

This is so similar to what happened 100 years ago in Germany, unfortunately nobody is still around to remember that and raise the alarm.

BTW we don't really know what Hitler's personal views were regarding Jews. I would assume he didn't like them but he was aware at the time that targeting them was an easy way to inspire the sort of violence he needed to seize power, whereas today maybe it's trans people.

Speaking of January 6, isn't it a foregone conclusion that when Trump returns to the White House in 2025 he will probably pardon all those people who are now being sent to prison as his first official act and then they will resume their activities with his full support? Then no American will be safe, trans, gay, straight or whatever.

The GOP has nothing to offer the electorate. So all it can do is to be seen to be fighting symbolic culture war battles, and to make scapegoats out of unpopular minority groups (like trans).

Interestingly their one culture war victory so far, banning abortion, loses them more votes than it gains even among MAGA faithful.

And yeah...the OP is observing some disturbing trends. Hard to argue with.

A lot of the time people who are "anti-trans" are not "anti-trans". Many times they only voice concerns of unintended consequences of pro-trans ideology.

Not wanting to use certain pronouns because you believe it's grammatically incorrect or having genuine concerns that male to female trans athletes are still packing too much muscle is not "anti-trans" but just expressing issues that are completely outside the sphere of trans. One is grammar and one is muscle biology which are completely separate issues and not "anti-trans" but I see the transphobic slur hurled around regularly for people with these concerns.

You're right about the Nazi comparison.

Also in Britain recently, a well known journalist/talk show host said this:

i.e. what happens to these sick (and disabled) people once they lose their benefits? Think about it the ramifications of what he said...

First they came for the trans people, then they came for the disabled people...

Being honest, the whole comparison sounds bonkers to the point of offensive. Last time I checked, trans people weren't being gassed in concentration camps as "undesirables".

People knew what Hitler was up to from day one.

Progressives should learn to stop poking the bear on these issues. It's better to let the march of progress move itself than try to propagandize the masses. Avoid their children, stop crass virtue signaling, stop mocking their faith. Treating them without respect will result in the right treating you the same way, further escalating conflict until one or both sides embrace totalitarianism as a means to an end. Let nature take its course.

With all due respect, Jews etc. weren't being gassed until AFTER Hitler had seized power, by which point it was too late and only a world war could resolve the issue.

What do you mean by poking the bear? What bear?


Please elaborate on what sort of progress you believe to be happening.


What faith? How does faith have anything to do with this topic anyway? Did you read the whole thread?

Oh come on. The worst it gets for them is not wanting male to female trans athletes completing against women. Other than that you don't hear of any exclusion or persecution.

This thread is just trying to stoke tensions by making outrageous comparisons which of course was the intention.

I will make one more attempt to explain my logic. So if you accept the original premise, then what the comparison the OP was making was to the events that led to the ascendancy of Naziism i.e. 1933 as he stated. There were no death camps in 1933. The genocide didn't occur until later when the Nazis had full control. So if you wanted to stretch the comparison to say that trans people WILL be literally exterminated after Trump regains power, or that it WON'T happen because the comparison is out of proportion and not valid in your opinion (which is a perfectly valid opinion BTW don't get me wrong) then I wouldn't argue.

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in Matt Gaetz, DeSatanis, and TRuMP Land in the

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in The Earlier Months Before the Celebration Even Arrives ALL JUNE LONG...

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is Put Those 'Humans in the

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Significantly offending right wingers so they act aggressively, radicalize, and accept totalitarian politics.

A combination of new cultural developments and returning to more pre-Abrahamic beliefs that means, generally, the country is going leftwards.

If we are to take the texts of Abrahamic faiths literally, they're not exactly the most pro-LGBT books on Earth (I know they talk about homosexuality over trans, but usually these two views are attached anyways). If right wingers get radicalized, they might find solace in the tradition of these books, and these books have very x-phobic views, without the need of Nazism. Hence it would be unwise to trigger the Abrahamic religious population.

Trans rights are Human rights!

Reading through this thread, I have seen 1 too many "Oh, it's not the same, so calm down", to which I ask, are you sure you want to be proven wrong? The threat of violence against marginalized peoples, as well as the rise of "uber" fascism is VERY REAL, has been for a very long time, and we ALL must work together to stop it from ever happening again.

("uber" as opposed to the fascism we are already subjected to) (I won't even get into the false "both sides" notion mentioned in here. Get real... the "other side" is defending itself from the fash every single time)

A well thought out response! Thanks!