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27 May 2023, 2:40 pm

People, including conservative news outlets, are also obsessed with trans people and bathrooms but there’s no evidence that they pose safety risks. Prejudice is a likely factor.

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There is no evidence that letting transgender people use public facilities that align with their gender identity increases safety risks, according to a new study from the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. The study is the first of its kind to rigorously test the relationship between nondiscrimination laws in public accommodations and reports of crime in public restrooms and other gender-segregated facilities.

“Opponents of public accommodations laws that include gender identity protections often claim that the laws leave women and children vulnerable to attack in public restrooms,” said lead author Amira Hasenbush. “But this study provides evidence that these incidents are rare and unrelated to the laws.”

To determine whether a relationship exists between nondiscrimination laws and crime, Hasenbush, a law and policy fellow at the Williams Institute, zeroed in on Massachusetts, where at the time of the study some localities had transgender-inclusive public accommodation laws and others did not. She and her team compared cities and towns with similar characteristics that had such laws to those that did not. They then examined police reports of assault and privacy violations in these localities both before and after the laws came into effect.

The data were collected prior to the 2016 passage of Massachusetts’ statewide nondiscrimination law that protects transgender people in employment, housing and public accommodations.

“Research has shown that transgender people are frequently denied access, verbally harassed or physically assaulted while trying to use public restrooms,” according to Jody L. Herman, one of the study’s authors and a public policy scholar at the Williams Institute. “This study should provide some assurance that these types of public accommodations laws provide necessary protections for transgender people and maintain safety and privacy for everyone.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna911106

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27 May 2023, 2:41 pm

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Because in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a huge issue. I find it remarkable that people are making it a big issue - even people who aren’t invested in these sports and don’t know any trans people personally. There are lots of other issues people can get worked up about if they wanted to.

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Scott, like nearly every Democrat on the committee during the markup, pointed out that transgender students are a small fraction of the population, and even a smaller population when it comes to youths in sports.

More than 8 million students compete in high school athletics, and more than 480,000 students compete as National Collegiate Athletic Association athletes, according to the NCAA.

Currently, 32 transgender athletes openly compete in college sports, Scott said, adding that there are more lawmakers on the committee — 45 — than college transgender athletes.

“It’s ludicrous to suggest that such a handful of athletes, who pose no evidentiary threat, justifies national congressional action,” he said.

UCLA’s School of Law Williams Institute estimates that about 1.6 million people ages 13 and up identify as transgender in the U.S. Of that population, 300,000 are youths ages 13 to 17 and make up 1.4% of the U.S. population for that age group.

‘Scapegoating in a cultural war’
Democrats argued the legislation would harm transgender children.

“This is about scapegoating in a cultural war a group of trans kids and criminalizing their existence,” Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva, an Arizona Democrat, said. “We are mired in this cultural war created and started by my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, and trans kids in this war, become mere collateral damage.”

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/03/09 ... use-panel/

But those small numbers seem to regularly outcompete the females they're up against and who cares if it's not a big issue in the grand scheme of things, it's being concluded more and more that it's unfair and against the spirit of sport. Many sporting bodies are banning trans athletes from competing against females now and it appears a lot do so after some sort of consolation where I assume they seek professional advice beforehand. If something is unfair, then why does it matter if it's not big in the grand scheme of things?

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27 May 2023, 2:44 pm

^ I see no reason why sports can’t be fair AND inclusive. As has already been discussed, there are better solutions.

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27 May 2023, 2:48 pm

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^ I see no reason why sports can’t be fair AND inclusive. As has already been discussed, there are better solutions.

Many of the sports trans people compete in are just flat out difficult to make fair when against women, even in the same weight class. Swimming for example is one of them that has hit the headlines recently.

Competing by weight one to one might be plausible in many sports but other than that, a separate trans category might need to be set up.

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27 May 2023, 4:21 pm

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That's enough with the transphobic commentary - it's causing real upset to WP members.

For the record I'm accepting the provided dictionary definitions of bigotry, where hatred is not a required state to meet that definition. Bigotry is often masked in explained "scientific" reasons why such-and-such should be suppressed, boxed in or treated differently - but it's still ultimately presented as a "reason" for treating people unfairly, differently to their peers.

This thread has become little more than an attempted explanation of how transgender folk aren't really treated that badly. But this is simply not true, as any casual research will show.
It also argues against the inclusion of trans people in the endeavors of cisgender folk.

It's ironic that this should happen in a thread outlining how the treatment of transfolk has worrying parallels with that of Nazism in the "othering" and suppression of minorities. It's being normalized in real-time but to some, that remains justifiable or invisible.

There's nothing to be rescued here - the thread started going downhill on the first page, leaving a lock as the only appropriate method of dealing with it.

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