Interesting Test of Recognising Facial Expressions

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02 Jun 2023, 3:28 am

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I didn't even know women were supposed to be better.


Yes, apparently women are supposed to be very good socially and understand all the nuances and subtle hints and implications of social situations. e.g. if woman A smiles at woman B, woman B is meant to smile back immediately. Otherwise woman B will be ostracised and whispered about.

I am not good socially and I just blunder around like a bull in a china shop putting my foot in it. This is why I rarely get on with women because they take offence at everything I say and do.

I get on fine with men because they tend to take everything at face value and don't read subtle meanings or nuances or implications into anything.

Which is ironic because I am always complaining about men, and I'm a feminist trying to support other women, who don't support me. :lol:

I'm all topsy turvey :roll:


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02 Jun 2023, 3:35 am

I've always got on better with boys and men.
They're so much less complex.
That's not a slight against women.
Women are amazing creatures.
I just don't understand them any more than I do my pet rock.
It's not them, it's me.

Honestly though, I don't believe women really whisper about other women.
They might form a bias individually, or gossip sometimes, but about not smiling?
I find that hard to believe.
Then again, I'm clueless so you might be right.
I don't usually encounter packs of women so I can't even test it.

I'll tell you right now though, I don't smile at anyone.



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02 Jun 2023, 3:36 am

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I was just thinking it would be cool if someone made a regular movie (not an educational film but a real Hollywood movie) that is aimed at an Autistic audience. Whether the actors and characters are autistic doesn't matter, but in the movie everyone would say what they mean, they would have readable or understandable facial expressions (or flat affect, not meaning they're angry), they'd be mute at times, have special interests, and have sensory issues. There'd be no bright lighting or jarring noises in the film but it wouldn't be boring either.

Basically the whole plot and all the characters would be understandable to us, or accessible enough that it wouldn't be hard to understand them. It would show what empathy is like for us -- overpowering on the inside, and often hard to express on the outside. We wouldn't need to struggle to read eyes or gestures or the moral of the story, yet it would still be entertaining to a NT audience and it wouldn't patronise us. It wouldn't even be "about" autism, but we'd finally find our world.


that would be FANTASTIC! Brilliant. Surely this sort of movie can't be far away, it must be in the minds of autistic directors and actors.

I think this is often why I like films about aliens. Because the alien characters tend to speak their mind without any social filters, and point out stupid things that humans do, which is what autistic people tend to do.

There is a recent film called We Are Not Alone which is about a race of aliens which invaded Earth looking for somewhere to live, then realise they actually have to live on Earth and try and manage humans. They hadn't realised how illogical, crazy, violent and plain weird humans are.

One interesting point is that one of the actors (Joe Thomas) who plays an alien is actually autistic and I'm pretty sure he is acting like himself a lot of the time- asking what things mean and making social blunders. He said he felt at home playing an alien, anyway.

Hopefully they will make this film into a series, they want to.


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02 Jun 2023, 3:41 am

KitLily wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I was just thinking it would be cool if someone made a regular movie (not an educational film but a real Hollywood movie) that is aimed at an Autistic audience. Whether the actors and characters are autistic doesn't matter, but in the movie everyone would say what they mean, they would have readable or understandable facial expressions (or flat affect, not meaning they're angry), they'd be mute at times, have special interests, and have sensory issues. There'd be no bright lighting or jarring noises in the film but it wouldn't be boring either.

Basically the whole plot and all the characters would be understandable to us, or accessible enough that it wouldn't be hard to understand them. It would show what empathy is like for us -- overpowering on the inside, and often hard to express on the outside. We wouldn't need to struggle to read eyes or gestures or the moral of the story, yet it would still be entertaining to a NT audience and it wouldn't patronise us. It wouldn't even be "about" autism, but we'd finally find our world.


that would be FANTASTIC! Brilliant. Surely this sort of movie can't be far away, it must be in the minds of autistic directors and actors.


Sadly though, it sounds inherently boring. The trick would be that it couldn't be marketed as an autistic movie even to producers. It would have to be interesting enough and still have funny or reprehensible characters like all movies. It can't just be people sitting around musing because The Big Chill already exists, although that was a blockbuster so Hmmmm ...... We're both writers. TP too. Let's do it.



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02 Jun 2023, 3:43 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Honestly though, I don't believe women really whisper about other women.
They might form a bias individually, or gossip sometimes, but about not smiling?
I find that hard to believe.
Then again, I'm clueless so you might be right.


No, what I meant was, if I don't smile at a woman who smiles at me, she takes it as an insult and cuts me dead next time we meet.

This has happened to me all my life. I am so busy thinking 'who is that woman? Do I know her? Why is she smiling at me? Is she making fun of me? Have I got something on my face? Is she smiling at ME or someone behind me?' that the moment passes and she's now glaring or looking hurt. It's too late by then.

I've learned that the best thing to do if a woman smiles in my direction is to smile back, just to cover all possibilities. Even if I don't recognise them, which I usually don't. My powers of recognising women are very low, they all tend to look the same to me. (I can recognise men easily though, funny that eh! 8) )

However if a man smiles at me, I don't want to give the wrong idea that he can chat me up, so I tend to avoid men's smiles (unless I know them well)

And I've been in numerous situations where some women are whispering behind their hands, quickly glancing at me, laughing, then whispering again. I deduced that they are talking and laughing about me. Very childish but not nice.

Socialising is bloody complicated, arggggggggghhhhhh!


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02 Jun 2023, 3:45 am

kitlily wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
that would be FANTASTIC! Brilliant. Surely this sort of movie can't be far away, it must be in the minds of autistic directors and actors.


Sadly though, it sounds inherently boring. The trick would be that it couldn't be marketed as an autistic movie even to producers. It would have to be interesting enough and still have funny or reprehensible characters like all movies. It can't just be people sitting around musing because The Big Chill already exists, although that was a blockbuster so Hmmmm ...... We're both writers. TP too. Let's do it.


It would have to include NT characters too in order to provide friction. Or it would have to be about aliens acting autistically.


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02 Jun 2023, 3:49 am

KitLily wrote:
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Honestly though, I don't believe women really whisper about other women.
They might form a bias individually, or gossip sometimes, but about not smiling?
I find that hard to believe.
Then again, I'm clueless so you might be right.


No, what I meant was, if I don't smile at a woman who smiles at me, she takes it as an insult and cuts me dead next time we meet.

This has happened to me all my life. I am so busy thinking 'who is that woman? Do I know her? Why is she smiling at me? Is she making fun of me? Have I got something on my face? Is she smiling at ME or someone behind me?' that the moment passes and she's now glaring or looking hurt. It's too late by then.

I've learned that the best thing to do if a woman smiles in my direction is to smile back, just to cover all possibilities. Even if I don't recognise them, which I usually don't. My powers of recognising women are very low, they all tend to look the same to me. (I can recognise men easily though, funny that eh! 8) )

However if a man smiles at me, I don't want to give the wrong idea that he can chat me up, so I tend to avoid men's smiles (unless I know them well)

And I've been in numerous situations where some women are whispering behind their hands, quickly glancing at me, laughing, then whispering again. I deduced that they are talking and laughing about me. Very childish but not nice.

Socialising is bloody complicated, arggggggggghhhhhh!



I'm so clueless I didn't know any of this.
I don't even know if people smile at me or not.
I don't even look at people.
I know people are put out by my behaviour.
I just didn't know that I was supposed to know, all along.

I don't remember ever being taught or conditioned this way.
I guess that's a good thing overall though.



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02 Jun 2023, 3:55 am

All that is just what I've learned over the years from trial and error, I wasn't taught. I try to teach my daughter about what I learn though. She is much better than me socially.

I've just got the 'social skills, behaviour and knowledge' part of my brain missing. And because I look fairly normal, people are fooled at first and think I'm normal, then suddenly I say the wrong thing or have a meltdown, and everyone runs away screaming. :roll:


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02 Jun 2023, 4:01 am

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All that is just what I've learned over the years from trial and error, I wasn't taught. I try to teach my daughter about what I learn though. She is much better than me socially.

I've just got the 'social skills, behaviour and knowledge' part of my brain missing. And because I look fairly normal, people are fooled at first and think I'm normal, then suddenly I say the wrong thing or have a meltdown, and everyone runs away screaming. :roll:


I've got the social skills, behaviour, knowledge, metacognition, prediction, cause-and-effect, learn-from-mistakes, and give-a-carp part of my brain missing. I can't even say I look normal. My face and stuff, yes. But my manic pixie stimming and my resting b***h face? No. My turning away from people when they speak to me? No. My lack of facial expressions? No.

I didn't teach my daughter or sons anything because I didn't even know it was a thing. I know they're more normal than I am though.



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02 Jun 2023, 8:12 am

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I've got the social skills, behaviour, knowledge, metacognition, prediction, cause-and-effect, learn-from-mistakes, and give-a-carp part of my brain missing. I can't even say I look normal. My face and stuff, yes. But my manic pixie stimming and my resting b***h face? No. My turning away from people when they speak to me? No. My lack of facial expressions? No.

I didn't teach my daughter or sons anything because I didn't even know it was a thing. I know they're more normal than I am though.


Yes we've all got bits missing haven't we...However I am excellent at spelling, most people seem to be bad at spelling for some reason, so they like that aspect of me- I can help them with their writing. haha.

I've got resting bltch face for sure, I have to make a real effort to look pleasant, if I want to. Often I want to keep people away so I don't make the effort.

I feel like I'm at a disadvantage because I look normal and act normal up to a point. Then that point gets crossed and I fall apart and people are more shocked than if I didn't look normal to start with. If people thought 'oh she looks disabled' they might be expecting me to act weird and overlook it. I dunno.


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02 Jun 2023, 4:15 pm

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2/20


The weirdest thing for me was the explanations. Are people really supposed to know, notice, and use all those little tricks? Do they learn that by instinct, by copying, or by trial and error? I didn't know there were any specific facial rules.

Both. Either.

Most folks just 'get' most of the expressions via instinct. With no idea how or why they get it because it unconscious.

My run of the mill 14/20 was instant and instinctive. No analyzing.

But then there are shrinks and forensic experts who break it down to the nuts and bolts - and DO study and memorize it - in order to consciously systematically detect deception in criminals, or suicidal tendencies in patients, or like that.

To me some are obvious. Some are hard. All by instinct. Most wrong answers are from similar expressions (like happiness and love).



But was way off on one. SPOILER ALERT!! !! !!

The guy staring down to his left (with the finger on his cheek) looked to me like he was looking at a baby or a puppy or like that. So I guessed "love". The correct answer was "embarrassment". Oh well. :oops:

But if your score was THAT low, only 2,....maybe you are impaired in the instinct and need to consciously memorize this stuff.



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02 Jun 2023, 5:34 pm

Nice quiz. Got 11/20. I didn't think that politeness and love are feelings, that is an interesting idea. To me they are mainly attitudes or values.

Since I got my diagnosis I wonder how big part of communication I miss, but I never really felt that was any kind of bigger problem in my life. Probably it was part of the "Most people are acting really strange sometimes, they are kind of weird" feeling I've always had.

Anyway, there are some ways to make up for it, for example paying attention to the duration of pauses between words or sentences.



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03 Jun 2023, 3:40 am

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Nice quiz. Got 11/20. I didn't think that politeness and love are feelings, that is an interesting idea. To me they are mainly attitudes or values.


That is an excellent point! I think love is a feeling. Politeness isn't though, for sure.


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03 Jun 2023, 4:56 am

14/20

Some of them by instinct some of them by analysing



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03 Jun 2023, 5:15 am

Politeness isnt "an emotion". But it IS an attempt at suppressing emotions..with fake smiles. Basically what the testers are going for is to see if you can tell fake smiles from real smiles.



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03 Jun 2023, 5:33 am

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Your Score: 13/20
Not bad. Your score places you around the average at reading expressions. And research suggests that people can improve their emotion recognition skills with practice. Sign up for our newsletter for tips and tools on empathy and more.


It was annoying that it was aimed at Americans. :roll: We're not all American you know!

I found most the questions easy, but some were difficult to answer because you can be feeling two emotions at once so could have the same facial expressions depending on the situation.

I seemed to fail the ones that were pain.


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