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11 Aug 2023, 7:44 pm

Judge in Trump Jan. 6 case issues order limiting use of "sensitive" material

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The federal judge overseeing the case against former President Donald Trump related to the 2020 presidential election issued a protective order Friday limiting the use and disclosure of "sensitive" material moving forward, imposing a narrower set of restrictions than prosecutors had sought.

At a hearing in federal court in Washington on Friday, U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan said she disagreed with the scope of an order proposed by special counsel Jack Smith last week that would have prevented the "improper dissemination or use" of all evidence that is turned over to Trump's lawyers before the trial.

Instead, she agreed with Trump's legal team, who argued that only "sensitive" information should be kept under wraps.

But Chutkan sided with prosecutors on several details related to the order, including a request that all recordings, transcripts and reports of witness testimony should be considered "sensitive" information. She also gave the government wide latitude to decide which records should be considered sensitive and thus restricted.

Chutkan also accepted prosecutors' request that Trump's lawyers review any notes he takes about sensitive material to ensure they don't include personal identifiable information. She denied a request from Trump's team to broaden the number of people who could have access to the discovery material.

During the hearing, Chutkan said that Trump has a First Amendment right to free speech, but acknowledged that right "is not absolute." She said Trump is subject to the conditions of his release that were imposed at his arraignment last week, including rules preventing witness intimidation.

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The terms discussed during the hearing were laid out in the five-page protective order issued by Chutkan hours after the proceeding concluded, in which the judge formally granted in part and denied in part the special counsel's proposal.

The order governs the disclosure of material collected by the government in its case against Trump, which centers around his alleged efforts to stop the transfer of presidential power after he lost the 2020 election. He pleaded not guilty to four federal charges last week and denies any wrongdoing.

Friday's order makes clear that it "does not apply to information or records that are publicly available independent of the Government's productions, nor does it apply to information or records which the defendant or defense counsel came into possession by independent means, unrelated to the discovery process.

It specifies several categories of "sensitive materials" that can only be used by Trump, his lawyers and potential witnesses in connection with the defense and cannot be publicly disclosed. They include materials containing personally identifying information; grand jury subpoena returns and witness testimony; information obtained through sealed search warrants and orders for electronic communications; and materials obtained from other governmental entities.

It also imposes rules governing Trump's access to the sensitive materials. Chutkan said Trump can't have any device that can photocopy and record, such as a smartphone, with him if he reviews the information without his lawyers present.

The order requires the former president's lawyers to ensure all sensitive materials are "collected and safeguarded" when he is done reviewing them.


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12 Aug 2023, 11:57 am

2 right wing federalist society law professors absolutely torch trump:

https://fb.watch/mnsNkdjZ2e/?mibextid=uEQos9

Cliffs: trump’s an insurrectionist and should be prohibited from holding office. Their paper may end up being used against him in court.


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13 Aug 2023, 3:31 am

goldfish21 wrote:
2 right wing federalist society law professors absolutely torch trump:

https://fb.watch/mnsNkdjZ2e/?mibextid=uEQos9

Cliffs: trump’s an insurrectionist and should be prohibited from holding office. Their paper may end up being used against him in court.

The lawyer youtuber says even if Trump is not convicted or not convicted of insurrection or sedition individual citizens can bring a law suit and successfully cite these scholars to disqualify Trump.

If they won’t indict a sitting President despite nothing in the constitution explicitly prohibiting that they are going to let individual citizens undo the actions of voters who reelected him knowing full well who he is and what he did?

This can be avoided if the voters reject him again. If.


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13 Aug 2023, 3:40 pm

I'd like to believe that the more information that comes to light about trump's in/post office crime spree the bigger the margins he's going to lose by IF he's the nominee.

As David Pakman has pointed out, Biden's lead in the polls over trump is approx 44 to 42 - only 2-3 points. However, that leaves 16% who plan to vote who are independents or undecided.. and the probability that more and more info about trump's crimes, plus possible convictions prior to the election, are going to lead to those 16% favouring trump is extremely unlikely.

I bet 80% of them decide to vote against trump, opting for Biden in that case, and the other 20% may still vote for some independent 3rd party out of personal principles.. in which case trump gets slaughtered 57 to 42 in the popular vote and Should also get obliterated in the electoral college.

Of course there are no guarantees and people still need to be informed and encourage voter turnout and all that good stuff.


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28 Aug 2023, 11:22 am

Federal judge sets March trial date in Trump's election interference case

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The judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s election interference case in federal court set a trial date for March 4, 2024, a schedule that could have a crucial impact on the 2024 race for the White House.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan's decision sets the trial in the middle of the Republican presidential primaries and the day before Super Tuesday.

During a hearing on Monday, Chutkan heard arguments from Trump's lawyers and federal prosecutors about when the case could be set for trial. Special counsel Jack Smith proposed that the trial start in January, with jury selection beginning in December of this year, while Trump’s team said the trial should be pushed back until April 2026, after the presidential election.

"These proposals are obviously very far apart," Chutkan said Monday. "Neither of them is acceptable.”

Chutkan said that Trump will have to prioritize the trial and that she wouldn't change the trial schedule based upon another defendant's professional obligations, say, for a professional athlete.

The public has an interest in the fair and timely administration of justice, Chutkan said. Trump's lawyer said that going to trial next year would violate the former president's rights, noting the millions of pages of discovery that prosecutors have turned over.

“This is a request for a show trial, not a speedy trial,” Trump lawyer John Lauro said of the special counsel's proposed schedule. “Mr. Trump is not above the law, but he is not below the law."

After Chutkan made her ruling, Lauro stood to make an objective on the record and state that Trump’s defense team will not be able to adequately represent their client with that trial date. Chutkan noted his objection and moved on.

Earlier in the hearing, Chutkan said that while the special counsel team's proposal was too soon, Trump's proposal of 2026 wasn't reasonable. “Discovery in 2023 is not sitting in a warehouse with boxes of paper looking at every single page,” Chutkan said.

“This case is not going to trial in 2026,” Chutkan said. She pointed out that Trump's team has had time to prepare already; the public has known about the existence of the grand jury investigating Trump since September 2022 and the identity of many of the witnesses has been known.

Trump did not and was not required to attend Monday's 10 a.m. hearing at the E. Barrett Prettyman U.S. Courthouse, which overlooks the site of some of the most brutal violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

That is exactly three weeks before the Stormy Danials hush money case is set to begin.


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