UFO's, allegedly almost trigger WW3 in Ukraine

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04 Aug 2023, 8:10 am

"Russia has been thrust into the UFO mania debate as it's been claimed extraterrestrial beings took control of the Kremlin's cache of nuclear missiles.

The hijacking almost led to World War III, according to sworn testimony shared with Congress this week.

Award-winning Las Vegas journalist George Knapp - who often reports on ET phenomena - told the panel that Russian military officials had also deployed fighter jets to fire on the UFOs following a near world-ending clash....."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ufos-took-control-russian-nukes-30626199



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06 Aug 2023, 3:25 am

Sworn testimony in the 2001 disclosure project already flagged this happening in the US
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-for ... ted-nukes/



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06 Aug 2023, 6:09 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
"Russia ... claimed extraterrestrial beings took control of the Kremlin's cache of nuclear missiles."
The same Russia that claims NATO, Ukraine, and The West are the sole aggressors in its war of conquest?

The same Russia that sends "Peacekeepers" to invade Ukraine, murder civilians, and seize their land?

The same Russia that claims Nazis run the rest of Europe?

The same Russia that claims Russian-speakers everywhere are under threat of genocide?

THAT Russia?

I think we can completely discount Russia's lies about UFOs, too.


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06 Aug 2023, 10:16 am

Fnord wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
"Russia ... claimed extraterrestrial beings took control of the Kremlin's cache of nuclear missiles."
The same Russia that claims NATO, Ukraine, and The West are the sole aggressors in its war of conquest?

The same Russia that sends "Peacekeepers" to invade Ukraine, murder civilians, and seize their land?

The same Russia that claims Nazis run the rest of Europe?

The same Russia that claims Russian-speakers everywhere are under threat of genocide?

THAT Russia?

I think we can completely discount Russia's lies about UFOs, too.


It is certainly is a possibility that they are lying about this.

I just thought it was interesting. 8)



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17 Sep 2023, 4:25 pm

UFOs are real, there is no longer much debate. The US govement has been taking photos and videos of UFO in outer space and so do other countries, but there is a consensus not to release this.

UFOs, aliens, or w.e people call them are flying in to earth from outta space, they are also under water in the ocean. They have a strange attraction to nuclear sites.


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17 Sep 2023, 4:42 pm

We're in an equilibrium system and it seems like we aren't the only interested organisms with high enough intelligence to take part in this game.

I was listening to a conversation that Jason Reza Jorjani had with Dr. Selwyn Griffith about our broader state of existence and he seems to suggest Logos or 'God' as we'd call it is a kind of naturally occurring artillect (similar to what AI could do if AI could recursively make stronger and more powerful AI) and that it could have innumerable faces and agents but that it's that organizing mechanism that yields conscious, self-aware beings (eerily similar to what I've heard Stephen Wolfram say - that intelligence is higher in the cosmic chain than self-awareness) to which the background indeterminacy of quantum physics is the primordial chaos that's always existed but which is sort of the leftover between stuff that an active artillect isn't using. He drew judiciously on Heidegger, Bergson, Wittgenstein, and Deleuze for that analysis and the take that the laws of physics seem to be a product of an 'Ur language', something like the medieval Kabbalists were after. In that sense Jason is pointing at his take on a location from whence quantum Darwinism or chaining comes.

In that sense you can pretty much extend the Gaia hypothesis out into pantheism but have a different word for it - ie. something like the artillect that we inhabit (so there's still a bit of Bostrom in there but it's not some alien child's science experiment rather what something needs for its own subsistence). It would be a result of what the eternal churning of cosmic randomness turns out. What's scary is I don't know that anything gets to outlive its usefulness for too long and if it runs out of things to compute it would probably start cannibalizing itself, hence it would so the sort of thing Donald Hoffman would suggest which is chase the inexhaustible nature of mathematics (Godel's incompleteness theorem). In that context there are things that can survive the Naught on their own and things that can't and my guess is those that can get good at externalizing entropy.

I'm not saying take that 100% of the way as your ground reality, I just think it's a useful heuristic to slot hypotheses such as non-human agents and see if it offers explanatory power over and above just calling it hallucinations, cries for attention, government coverups, etc. which even if we were in an idealist (all is mind) universe all of those things still could be true. It's not an answer to the question 'Was it aliens?', just an answer to the question of could it have been non-human intelligence and that in itself would also have to be as carefully vetted because it doesn't automatically imply that it's the case.


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17 Sep 2023, 5:41 pm

Patrick22348 wrote:
UFOs are real, there is no longer much debate. The US govement has been taking photos and videos of UFO in outer space and so do other countries, but there is a consensus not to release this.

UFOs, aliens, or w.e people call them are flying in to earth from outta space, they are also under water in the ocean. They have a strange attraction to nuclear sites.


UFO's, or 'UAP's' as they are now called, are certainly real, but no-one has proven that they are alien in origin, or that aliens actually man... er 'alien' them. For all anyone knows, they are remote controlled drones or some kind of experimental technology.



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18 Sep 2023, 12:51 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
For all anyone knows, they are remote controlled drones or some kind of experimental technology.


Not according to Congress
https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... made-ufos/

and here's the report
https://www.congress.gov/117/crpt/srpt1 ... df#page=12

Buried deep in a report that’s an addendum to the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023, a budget that governs America’s clandestine services, Congress made two startling claims. The first is that “cross-domain transmedium threats to the United States national security are expanding exponentially.” The second is that it wants to distinguish between UFOs that are human in origin and those that are not: “Temporary nonattributed objects, or those that are positively identified as man-made after analysis, will be passed to appropriate offices and should not be considered under the definition as unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena,” the document states.



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20 Sep 2023, 4:42 pm

Putin trying to blame his mistakes on aliens? Typical.


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20 Sep 2023, 4:52 pm

How do we know that there aren't humans on other planets, sending remote controlled drones to Earth for reconnaissance purposes?

I personally consider the term 'alien' to mean a species that is intelligent but not human, in this particular context. I wouldn't consider humans from others planets to be alien, unless they were physiologically different from ourselves.

Another possibility is that these machines are coming out from some kind of time portal, from a future Earth.

No-one knows.



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20 Sep 2023, 5:33 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
How do we know that there aren't humans on other planets, sending remote controlled drones to Earth for reconnaissance purposes?

I personally consider the term 'alien' to mean a species that is intelligent but not human, in this particular context. I wouldn't consider humans from others planets to be alien, unless they were physiologically different from ourselves.

Another possibility is that these machines are coming out from some kind of time portal, from a future Earth.

No-one knows.


From a biological perspective, humanoid does not mean human. It means "human like". If you believe in the terra-forming theories then (yes) a group of humanoids planted their DNA on earth (e.g. like the Sci fi Prometheous). Otherwise a biological form evolved in another galaxy that might evolve to be "human like" are unlikely to share any DNA with earth homo sapiens.

Many of those who do study exobiology (yes its a scientific discipline funded by organisations like NASA) actually claim the probability that a human like sentient life form capable of intelligence is very slim. More likely another life form might be biologically completely different to the point they may not even be carbon based or rely on oxygen or even water.