Ukraine Just a 'Stepping Stone' to Invade Europe

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14 Sep 2023, 3:15 pm

Mordvichev might want to inspect Russia's available forces before writing checks his employer can't afford to have cashed.


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14 Sep 2023, 7:21 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Mordvichev might want to inspect Russia's available forces before writing checks his employer can't afford to have cashed.


That's a good point.



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14 Sep 2023, 11:28 pm

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Exactly. Its newsworthy that a Russian general is actually stating the expansionist aim of his state in public.
Yep. I mean, if Russia invade any NATO country it is basically going to be world war 3, since each NATO country has an obligation to protect any other member of NATO in a war scenario.
Which is why Putin's boyfriend Trump was pushing so hard to break away from NATO -- so that if he won the election (which he definitely did NOT), the USA would have no reason to get involved in opposing Putin's imperialist plans.

Trump gets the Whitehouse back with Putin's help, Putin gets the Soviet Union back with Trump's non-interference.

Quid-Pro-Quo.


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15 Sep 2023, 12:53 am

Nothing new for us here. It was becoming clearer and clearer since at least Georgia 2008.

So far, NATO seems to be working. I think Fins and Swedes see it the same way. But we are preparing for the worst realistic scenario - USA is busy elsewhere, West Europeans try hard to pretend nothing happened and the bear decides to strike. I hope it won't be just the famous shopping spree but that we build a whole system. Soldiers and weapons are not enough. In 1939, we failed so badly exactly because of lack of system, realistic plans, logistics, communications. I hope our guys in charge have learned the lesson.


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15 Sep 2023, 1:03 am

USA won’t even have to be busy with Iran or ______. Their various military branches might all be needed at home to deal with multi-Billion dollar storm after multi-Billion dollar storm as weather systems become more volatile.

A bit of poetic justice considering how much energy/fossil fuels North Americans use. But could be bad news for defence forces unable to spread around the world if they’re all needed at home to deal with one shitstorm after another. Maybe not Right Now, but as time goes on and storms ramp up in magnitude and frequency.. maybe.


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15 Sep 2023, 1:17 am

I was thinking about Taiwan and, more generally, Pacific. If SHTF on Pacific, some opportunistic predator may try their chances in Europe.
Yep, that would be a full-blown WWIII. Hopefully does not happen but we can't take hopes for predictions.


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15 Sep 2023, 9:51 am

Fnord wrote:
Which is why Putin's boyfriend Trump was pushing so hard to break away from NATO


That just made me laugh so much- Putin's boyfriend Trump :lol: :lol:


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15 Sep 2023, 11:11 am

Fnord wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Exactly. Its newsworthy that a Russian general is actually stating the expansionist aim of his state in public.
Yep. I mean, if Russia invade any NATO country it is basically going to be world war 3, since each NATO country has an obligation to protect any other member of NATO in a war scenario.
Which is why Putin's boyfriend Trump was pushing so hard to break away from NATO -- so that if he won the election (which he definitely did NOT), the USA would have no reason to get involved in opposing Putin's imperialist plans.

Trump gets the Whitehouse back with Putin's help, Putin gets the Soviet Union back with Trump's non-interference.

Quid-Pro-Quo.


Trump is an absolute nightmare with his foreign policy being so favourable to Russia. Hopefully he won't return to office!



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15 Sep 2023, 12:20 pm

diplomacy .. used to be give and take..between bigger countries,etc. Now its seems , how can we get our opponent to blink or misdirect them . For the chance at opportunity to disadvantage . So much behind the scenes stuff going on . Russia and here . The US has ruined its own economy on the backs of the average worker ..And on its way to bankrupt Social Sec. Imho. ( from Hoover institute interveiw from 9/15/23). Aswell as reporting a much higher suicide rate of Anglo americans that are born in the US ,And am a normal Aspie person to look into other potential actions that "could have occured " based on things generally reported by the media to the public,that I have seen.
It was Gunpoint diplomacy when Kennedy chased Russia Nukes out of Cuba, Why ? just because they were too close to the USA ....Now we have the Munich agreement when the wall came down. About NATO not spreading beyond east Germanys border....! Now We are supporting Ukraine, but before the War, we already had bio warfare labs there, according to publicly available media, aswell as Hunter Biden having big investments in Hotels in Ukraine .
Right inside of Russias backdoor . Full scale War sponsored by NATO and the USA . Ukraine used to be a Russia Protectorate country, ( if you saw it from a Russian Prespective).
[[So now you contrast might contrast Cuba and Ukraine,as having serious weapons of mass destruction next to borders of the respective countries ]].
but now via NATO we are committed to Ukraine. And we are winning apparently?
Using mainly the "US corp, Military complex ". Thus we have proven our weapons are better? Good for Corporate sales of US military merchandise. Not good for any human life .But Russia might not be either?
Now back to deception in diplomacy , Imagine,if you will perhaps Trumps overtures to Putin , could have been a misdirection ? possibly . And if he took us out of NATO , We could have supported our interests in Ukraine without
involving NATO . As it appears we have some tech advantages, So if we had pulled out of NATO ,no reflection on NATo ? and could rejoin after the war was over . :ninja: ...but am just thinking outside the box. And please do not catagorize me as a pro Trumper or or anti Masker / Vaxxer, As those are individual choices, based on persons info.
that feels applicable to them. And am only sharing My Own opinions here . And given world changing events, could be /am very much pro NATO


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