Mass stabbing in England during children's event

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06 Aug 2024, 8:28 am

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What about the 4 Million people who voted Reform UK? Are they Nazis as well?


No. Most of them are just right-wing conservatives.

The worst thing the conservatives ever did was to let the fascists co-opt the term 'conservative'.



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06 Aug 2024, 8:29 am

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It'd be nice if we could start to think of a way forward from this


For ordinary people, the place to start is to never get your news from social media.



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06 Aug 2024, 9:18 am

All children injured in the knife attacks in Southport are out of hospital.

Three girls were killed when a knifeman entered a Taylor Swift-themed holiday club on 29 July and began stabbing those inside.

Ten people, including two adults, were also seriously injured and taken to hospitals across Merseyside.

Alder Hey Children's Hospital confirmed that all children admitted with injuries linked to the attacks have now been safely discharged.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7033y4yxdyo


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06 Aug 2024, 5:07 pm

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If there is one positive out of this horrible set of events it's that these criminals who have been flying under the radar are now identified and under watch. the UK version of Nazis have let their cards been seen.
What about the 4 Million people who voted Reform UK? Are they Nazis as well?

Were they among the rioters?



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06 Aug 2024, 5:23 pm

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If there is one positive out of this horrible set of events it's that these criminals who have been flying under the radar are now identified and under watch. the UK version of Nazis have let their cards been seen.
What about the 4 Million people who voted Reform UK? Are they Nazis as well?


Not all Reform voters are quite Nazis, but what do you want to bet the violent thugs responsible for the riots are Reform voters (supposing they voted)?


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07 Aug 2024, 7:32 am

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Don't really get rioters target innocents. If they have a problem, then they should take their anger out on the police and government and keep everyone else out of it.


That would make them far-left, not far-right.

(Beware the latest far-right canard: "two-tier policing". What it actually means: "but what about the far-left?", who weren't there.)


It also means "black people are let off easy by the police", and comes straight from the world of Alternative Facts.


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07 Aug 2024, 5:04 pm

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I just hope it dies down soon. I'm thinking it will
I hope so, I don't fancy a Farage led Reform UK government much. Starmer needs to get a grip on legal and illegal immigration and fast. There's no point building more houses/flats if you've got net immigration of 700,000 per year.


This is never going to happen. Tensions will only get worse and eventually boil over. I think most reasonable people don't have a problem with legal immigration assuming they assimilate (assimilation needs a lot more work, even with the legal immigrants). The main problem is illegal, undocumented immigration via boats from "displaced" populations that only ever seem to displace young men for some mystery unknown to me.

I think a lot of the support for illegal boat migrants is part identity politics, part oversimplified thinking and part sexual.

Looking at pics taken inside genuine refugee camps and past conflicts with people fleeing war, the demographic makeup of them are homogonous with a typical population. Women, kids, old people, men. The people coming via boat are not remotely like the typical makeup of actual refugees.



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07 Aug 2024, 5:08 pm

I read the British conservatives have a new catchphrase
2-tier police system - according to the Farage people

1. Police over-react when dealing with patriotic British folk
2. Police handle BLM and muslims with kid-gloves
Weird thing is muslims and BLM have been protesting claiming the exact opposite.

I do believe the trump MAGAs use a similar reverse psychology. Civil rights movements in the US came up with the term "woke". then MAGAs made woke a kind of slur to label everything progressive in the culture.



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07 Aug 2024, 5:14 pm

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The main problem is illegal, undocumented immigration via boats from "displaced" populations that only ever seem to displace young men for some mystery unknown to me. .


the dilemma is human rights require countries in "Fortress Europe" to be humanitarian. You can't let leaky boats in the Mediterranean sea sink drowning people, invariably young men coming as economic migrants do disperse themselves among the legit refugees fleeing war. But since almost all of them come undocumented how are you supposed to process them?

Borders are relic anyway, from a bygone era of kings and kingdoms. Of tribes and tribalism. In a globalised borderless world (the future) people are going to live in economic zones based on their wealth, rather than current situations where country = race



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07 Aug 2024, 5:25 pm

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The main problem is illegal, undocumented immigration via boats from "displaced" populations that only ever seem to displace young men for some mystery unknown to me. .


the dilemma is human rights require countries in "Fortress Europe" to be humanitarian. You can't let leaky boats in the Mediterranean sea sink drowning people, invariably young men coming as economic migrants do disperse themselves among the legit refugees fleeing war. But since almost all of them come undocumented how are you supposed to process them?

Borders are relic anyway, from a bygone era of kings and kingdoms. Of tribes and tribalism. In a globalised borderless world (the future) people are going to live in economic zones based on their wealth, rather than current situations where country = race


They'll have to get more ruthless with how they deal with immigration. It's been completely unsustainable and organised for many years now. The construction of large camps or on the very extreme end, brutal sanctions against countries with large emigration or even finding a way to blockade them.

It seems like one of those things that's best stopped at the source seeing nothing else is working.



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08 Aug 2024, 3:06 am

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It seems like one of those things that's best stopped at the source seeing nothing else is working.

What do you propose?



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08 Aug 2024, 4:09 am

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It seems like one of those things that's best stopped at the source seeing nothing else is working.

What do you propose?


Sanctions, coming to agreements with bordering nations to heavily restrict movement from those nations, naval patrols within the waters of problematic nations, "totting up" the number of failed asylum seekers from that nation and billing incurred costs back in some form or another.



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08 Aug 2024, 8:17 am

Last nights riots failed to materialise, thanks to several thousand police AND several thousand anti-racism protestors. 140 rioters have been sentenced by fast-track courts and their faces shown in the news. According to the Metro, the riots were planned on X and Telegram with the aid of troll farms owned by the Russian government. Which makes the organisers literal traitors, in my book.


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08 Aug 2024, 2:33 pm

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Last nights riots failed to materialise, thanks to several thousand police AND several thousand anti-racism protestors. 140 rioters have been sentenced by fast-track courts and their faces shown in the news. According to the Metro, the riots were planned on X and Telegram with the aid of troll farms owned by the Russian government. Which makes the organisers literal traitors, in my book.


It's a shame they can't be deported straight to Russia.


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08 Aug 2024, 8:59 pm

Now riots have broken out in Jolly Old England.


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