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Does the Bible present a flat earth? Think carefully...
Yes, but I haven't read it 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Yes and I have read it 17%  17%  [ 2 ]
No, but I haven't read it 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
No and I have read it 67%  67%  [ 8 ]
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28 Aug 2007, 1:19 am

The following are all links and I request that anyone who posts here read them.


Paragraph answer

Christian Answers page

Article at the bottom of this page

Detail of the last link by the ASA

Explanation of Hebrew cardinal points of the map North, South, East, West, the four corners of the earth, you know them.

Read this if you have a day off

Misquoting the Bible to present an anti-Biblical argument

Biblical Cosmology

Origin of flat earth idea

Creation and the flat earth



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28 Aug 2007, 1:21 am

Don't look at me. >_>



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28 Aug 2007, 1:24 am

Flat-earthers are just big targets.


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28 Aug 2007, 1:24 am

AAAHHH LOOK AWAY!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!1 8O 8O 8O :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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28 Aug 2007, 1:49 am

Quatermass wrote:
Flat-earthers are just big targets.


Yeah, but the Bible doesn't present the idea and I have heard Hadron and others claim that it does. It's been a classic arguement since Washington Irving as an attack on the Bible and Christianity.



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28 Aug 2007, 1:53 am

there's not nearly enough of a world view presented in the bible to even begin to assert one way or the other with regards to flat-earth or not.



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28 Aug 2007, 2:02 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Flat-earthers are just big targets.


Yeah, but the Bible doesn't present the idea and I have heard Hadron and others claim that it does. It's been a classic arguement since Washington Irving as an attack on the Bible and Christianity.


Yes, but I think that for a time it was part of RC Dogma. Certainly the Earth-centric view of the universe stems from that.


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28 Aug 2007, 2:02 am

It's just plain old confusing

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28 Aug 2007, 3:00 am

Yes, considering the times the writers of the scriptures and other people were living in back then, the earth was seen to be the centre of everything (although the Egyptians did consider the Sun was the centre of it all, but most others say the earth was) and that up until Columbus sailed west from Spain and discovered what was to become the Americas and later on when Ferdinand Magellan circumnavigated the globe, the view was that if you sailed over the horizon you fell off into the gates of hell. Whether it was written in the bible, or was just folklore that became belief is debatable, but until it was proved the world was round, and not the centre of the solar system let alone the universe, everyone had the flat-earth opinion and refused to believe otherwise.


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28 Aug 2007, 4:05 am

Where are the I'm not convinced one
way or another options?



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28 Aug 2007, 4:10 am

Calandale stop tweeting.
Anyway this is the Flat Earth Society:
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm

Oh and the bits in the Bible about ascending to heaven sort of imply the earth is flat. Think about it.



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28 Aug 2007, 4:13 am

Haven't read the bible, but have read some interesting chunks of it:

Joshua 10:12-13:God makes the sun stand still.

The problem with this is that the sun is already still with respect to the earth; this phrase requires a geocentric solar system to make sense. Geocentrism is also seen in Judges 5:31 and Psalms 19:4-6. In Kings 20:11, Isaiah makes the sun go backwards. Chronicles 16:30: "The earth ... shall be stable, that it be not moved." pretty unambiguously says that the earth neither rotates nor orbits the sun. Also seen in Job 38:4-6, Micah 6:2, and Psalms 93:1

Psalms 74:17:"Thou has set all the borders of the earth".
Globes do not have borders.

Samuel 2:8:The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them. So the earth rests on pillars (what holds the pillars up?). Also seen in Job 9:6 and 26:11; psalms 75:3

Daniel 2:35: the stone "became a great mountian" that "filled the earth."

Not possible on a globe.

Daniel 4:10-11: 4:20:the tree can be seen from "the end of all the earth."

Globes don't have ends, and tall objects are lost to the horizon due to the curve of the planet. Such impossible viewing by height is also seen in Luke 4:5, where Jesus sees the whole world because he is at the top of a high mountian.

Revelation 7:1:John "saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth."

So the earth is flat (the corners can be seen) and quadrilateral (4 corners). Corners are also seen in Isaiah 11:12 and Ezekiel 7:2.

Isaiah 24:1 and 18-20: God will turn the earth upside down, knock it off of its foundations, and then shake and bake it until it "reels to and fro like a drunkard."

There is no 'upside down' with reference to a globe with a gravitational center. North is 'up' only by mapmakers' convention. This strongly implies a 2-dimensional surface.



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28 Aug 2007, 4:24 am

LKL wrote:
Haven't read the bible, but have read some interesting chunks of it:

Joshua 10:12-13:God makes the sun stand still.

The problem with this is that the sun is already still with respect to the earth; this phrase requires a geocentric solar system to make sense. Geocentrism is also seen in Judges 5:31 and Psalms 19:4-6. In Kings 20:11, Isaiah makes the sun go backwards. Chronicles 16:30: "The earth ... shall be stable, that it be not moved." pretty unambiguously says that the earth neither rotates nor orbits the sun. Also seen in Job 38:4-6, Micah 6:2, and Psalms 93:1

Psalms 74:17:"Thou has set all the borders of the earth".
Globes do not have borders.

Samuel 2:8:The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them. So the earth rests on pillars (what holds the pillars up?). Also seen in Job 9:6 and 26:11; psalms 75:3

Daniel 2:35: the stone "became a great mountian" that "filled the earth."

Not possible on a globe.

Daniel 4:10-11: 4:20:the tree can be seen from "the end of all the earth."

Globes don't have ends, and tall objects are lost to the horizon due to the curve of the planet. Such impossible viewing by height is also seen in Luke 4:5, where Jesus sees the whole world because he is at the top of a high mountian.

Revelation 7:1:John "saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth."

So the earth is flat (the corners can be seen) and quadrilateral (4 corners). Corners are also seen in Isaiah 11:12 and Ezekiel 7:2.

Isaiah 24:1 and 18-20: God will turn the earth upside down, knock it off of its foundations, and then shake and bake it until it "reels to and fro like a drunkard."

There is no 'upside down' with reference to a globe with a gravitational center. North is 'up' only by mapmakers' convention. This strongly implies a 2-dimensional surface.

*wonders what the comeback will be*



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28 Aug 2007, 4:29 am

Hadron wrote:
LKL wrote:
Haven't read the bible, but have read some interesting chunks of it:

Joshua 10:12-13:God makes the sun stand still.

The problem with this is that the sun is already still with respect to the earth; this phrase requires a geocentric solar system to make sense. Geocentrism is also seen in Judges 5:31 and Psalms 19:4-6. In Kings 20:11, Isaiah makes the sun go backwards. Chronicles 16:30: "The earth ... shall be stable, that it be not moved." pretty unambiguously says that the earth neither rotates nor orbits the sun. Also seen in Job 38:4-6, Micah 6:2, and Psalms 93:1

Psalms 74:17:"Thou has set all the borders of the earth".
Globes do not have borders.

Samuel 2:8:The pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them. So the earth rests on pillars (what holds the pillars up?). Also seen in Job 9:6 and 26:11; psalms 75:3

Daniel 2:35: the stone "became a great mountian" that "filled the earth."

Not possible on a globe.

Daniel 4:10-11: 4:20:the tree can be seen from "the end of all the earth."

Globes don't have ends, and tall objects are lost to the horizon due to the curve of the planet. Such impossible viewing by height is also seen in Luke 4:5, where Jesus sees the whole world because he is at the top of a high mountian.

Revelation 7:1:John "saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth."

So the earth is flat (the corners can be seen) and quadrilateral (4 corners). Corners are also seen in Isaiah 11:12 and Ezekiel 7:2.

Isaiah 24:1 and 18-20: God will turn the earth upside down, knock it off of its foundations, and then shake and bake it until it "reels to and fro like a drunkard."

There is no 'upside down' with reference to a globe with a gravitational center. North is 'up' only by mapmakers' convention. This strongly implies a 2-dimensional surface.

*wonders what the comeback will be*


*is equally curious*



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28 Aug 2007, 4:59 am

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