How are autistic people fundamentally different than NTs?
-socially
-strong presence of obsessive and repetitive behaviors
That's all. These differences are notably more present than they are in NTs, and also caused cuz our brains are quite literally wired differently.
In theory, the problem comes down to how those are interpreted.If it isn't externally visible, it mostly doesn't count. It also mostly doesn't count if it could be considered a symptom of any of the Schizophrenia Spectrum Disorders, nor does it count if it's attributable to anxiety, even if the anxiety itself is caused by autism traits. The examples may be appropriate to little children or more clear cut cases, but sometimes the distress caused by changes to routine flies under the radar due to dissociation. And, the routines can be extremely complicated for folks that got the enhanced memory trait.
If I'm neurotypical, then I want my life back dammit. The one neurodivergence and executive dysfunction stole from me.
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ASD level 1 & ADHD-C (professional dx), dyscalcula (self dx), very severe RSD.
Currently in early stages of recovering from autistic burnout.
RAADs: 104 | ASQ: 30 | CAT-Q: 139 | Aspie Quiz: 116/200 (84% probability of being atypical)
I have spent all my life having very little clue I was different. Now I see the differences. And it's horrible for my mental health-- but it was even before I knew, too. I first developed the social anxiety around age 13/14.
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ASD level 1 & ADHD-C (professional dx), dyscalcula (self dx), very severe RSD.
Currently in early stages of recovering from autistic burnout.
RAADs: 104 | ASQ: 30 | CAT-Q: 139 | Aspie Quiz: 116/200 (84% probability of being atypical)
I wonder if there can be multiple, completely different neural / psychological causes of passing the criteria for autism. I’m not thinking only about people who have very different symptoms, but also about those whose traits on the outside / behavioral level are similar.
If there existed some sort of technology allowing to experience other people mental lives for a short period of time, how would it change the definition of autism? Could we identify if a person is autistic in an instant by experiencing what they’re feeling / seeing? Would there be some core component of experiences of all autistic people, like some common form of perception / thinking style fundamentally different from non-autistic people? Could I get to know if I'm autistic by comparing my inner experience with others?
Or rather, would it turn out that there are a lot of different variations of basic inner experience, with not much in common? And if so, what is autism? Some specific form of perception / thinking style (or wiring, or operating system, or whatever) causing these traits in some people? What about others then? Would it be possible to define specific subgroups of autistic people based on their inner life? Or would their experiences be so complex and confusing that no useful information could be taken from them?
So basically, does the question “what is it like to be autistic?” make any sense?
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Recently diagnosed with ASD, still skeptical.
Feel free to PM me if you want to or are really bored.
Either overthink or don't think at all - there's no middle way.
I'm not really sure that's true, both groups do have a tendency at time to fight far longer than things are really worth.
Autistics have personal traits like everybody else. They can have ego issues and narcissistic tendencies that goes against what defines autistism.
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English is not my first language.
If there existed some sort of technology allowing to experience other people mental lives for a short period of time, how would it change the definition of autism? Could we identify if a person is autistic in an instant by experiencing what they’re feeling / seeing? Would there be some core component of experiences of all autistic people, like some common form of perception / thinking style fundamentally different from non-autistic people? Could I get to know if I'm autistic by comparing my inner experience with others?
Or rather, would it turn out that there are a lot of different variations of basic inner experience, with not much in common? And if so, what is autism? Some specific form of perception / thinking style (or wiring, or operating system, or whatever) causing these traits in some people? What about others then? Would it be possible to define specific subgroups of autistic people based on their inner life? Or would their experiences be so complex and confusing that no useful information could be taken from them?
So basically, does the question “what is it like to be autistic?” make any sense?
Different Operating systems ..and when you try to have one experience the others mental frame work..Prolly
would make no sense, except periferally. You cannot write a Fortran piece of code into a system operating strictly on a Basic program . And expect good observable results ..I feel. Would be a case of Garbage in Garbage out.
But both operating systems can operate in appropriate computer framework. So outside appearances of the computers appear similiar . But inside is what matters..
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Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
It's something very fundamental that few people seem to realise. The social difference in collaborative efforts versus a preference to do things alone is more of a consequence of this difference. The primary difference instead is in the relationship area, something few people appear to understand and instead struggle with dating and dating rituals in absurdum. NDs need a strong bond with a primary partner and to develop an effective communication system with their partner that far exceed what NT partners have. Until more autistics understand how to achieve this, they will continue to be depressed and have many problems in their lives.
My experience agrees with that. People have assumed I simply want to be alone. That's nonsense. It's just that doing things alone is the only way I seem to be able to get things done properly. At least it's substantially true. My ASD isn't as severe as ASD can be.
That helps to explain some of the problems I've had in relationships. Most people seem to settle for what seem to me to be rather weak relationships. I tend to expect rather a lot from partners, and have often tried to settle for less, but it seems an inexorable trait. I've usually put it down to my perfectionism. And one thing people aren't, it's perfect.
I find the term "less" a bit imprecise. In dating jargon, this typically means somebody that doesn't meet your requirement list or that is not an optimal person for your (NT) social life. Since dating is a horrible way to find a partner for NDs, this kind of "less" has no meaning.
A key trait of autism is things like not being able to read social cues. I honestly had no idea this was a thing for me until very recently. I thought I was doing alright.
But subtle s**t been happening with my psyche. I had social anxiety without knowing what that was or being at all conscious about it.
Now I have really bad RSD and it's impossible for me to ignore the issues my social problems bring about.
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ASD level 1 & ADHD-C (professional dx), dyscalcula (self dx), very severe RSD.
Currently in early stages of recovering from autistic burnout.
RAADs: 104 | ASQ: 30 | CAT-Q: 139 | Aspie Quiz: 116/200 (84% probability of being atypical)
I find the term "less" a bit imprecise. In dating jargon, this typically means somebody that doesn't meet your requirement list or that is not an optimal person for your (NT) social life. Since dating is a horrible way to find a partner for NDs, this kind of "less" has no meaning.
Well ,, it might boil down to : there is NO perfect mate for anyone...good relationships seem to have the ability to make compromises .but hec, what do I know?..but I hope you find that perfect someone...It would inspire everybody very possibly .?
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Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
When comparing the functional connectivity of ASD brains and unaffected brains, researchers see that there are some networks with lower connectivity, especially in patterns where the distance between brain regions is greater.
But these connections are only as good as the neurons carrying the message through their cell bodies to other neurons. Neurotransmitters are those chemical messengers.
Most likely the result of these connections manifest into the signs and the symptoms that we see.
Source
Let's imagine there is a needed item on a roof.
Neurotypical people (excluding all major mind differences) have a innate herd mentality which helps us quickly gain skills or resources quickly in a group. We are less effective alone. NTs would naturally form a human pyramid and gain the item.
Autistic people would find an item or circumstance that would allow them to obtain the item from the roof. They would be less likely to need others for help.
Both methods are valid. A healthy society needs both kinds of people.
This is a very interesting illustration! Thank you for sharing it! If you don’t mind, I’d like to share my perspective on why working in groups can be challenging for me:
Processing Time: My mind often takes longer to process situations. While others in the group are already moving toward a solution, I’m usually still analyzing the details.
Flexibility: I struggle to work "in the moment." If something deviates from the expected course, it can completely throw me off, whereas others seem to "go with the flow" more naturally.
Group Dynamics: Understanding group structures and dynamics doesn’t come easily to me. I’ve accidentally upset people before by not addressing the "right" person or misunderstanding unspoken hierarchies.
Mental Energy: Keeping up with the social context and group dynamics can be mentally exhausting, which leaves me with less focus to contribute to problem-solving.
Because of this, my most effective way to contribute in group settings is to work independently first, researching options and developing ideas, then sharing my findings with the group. It allows me to focus on the problem-solving aspect without being overwhelmed by group dynamics.
I'm sorry if I deviated too far from the original topic.
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