Russell Brand CHARGED in the UK

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Bill Cosby had 59 women accuse him before the claims were taken seriously. It was only the last woman's case which met the statute of limitations which ended up prosecuting him. Even then he barely served 2 years in prison.

I'm looking at successful convictions for what Brand has been accused and from past history (with the sole exception of Epstein and Weinstein) its going to be an uphill battle for these women. the four women have alleged sexual assaults between 2006 and 2013. that's already > 10 years ago.

Yes, that’s what I was getting at when I said that even if he gets off it doesn’t mean that he’s innocent. I might follow the case and make up my own mind on that point as we learn more. As it stands, I think he’s likely guilty.

I think that way of thinking is causing serious problems. Rape and sexual assualt are very serious crimes. If people can't stick to the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" and fall into a "no smoke without fire" thinking the people being accused will end up severely hurt regardless if they are innocent. Please don't respond by lecturing me on statistics on how difficult it is to get a guilty verdict etc. I know this and a couple of other things and take that into account.

I can respond however I want to unless it breaks the rules in some way. Guilty people often get away with these sorts of crimes, sometimes on a technicality or due to insufficient evidence. That leads to serious harm for their victims who are painted as liars or whatever else. The secondary wounding from that can and does lead to suicide. Then the perpetrators sometimes go on to hurt others - to destroy other lives, perhaps especially if the case is not widely known. Been there, experienced that. With these cases and ones involving CSA, I tend to weigh the evidence/situation and come to my own conclusions.

Never liked the bloke. Hope he gets convicted.

I never liked him either

And the same goes for me, hence my plead to you to not start lecturing. I find it patronizing, like you are questioning people's intelligence by doing that.

I’m not lecturing or questioning anyone’s intelligence. I am simply trying to engage with the topic, including the reasoning I use to arrive at my conclusions. IMO, it’s appropriate when the discussion is centered on a serious topic that involves some degree of nuance.

Please drop the the false accusations of lecturing - providing detail and explanation is not lecturing.

Well it'll be interesting to see which way justice falls won't it

^^^ Agree 100% but Billytree has one minor valid point lost in his post. the victims in this case who are taking Brand to court can only expect to be "alleged" at this point. Otherwise its rumour and innuendo which is feeding those who are jumping straight to "Russell Brand is a known sex pest therefore these claims are valid". However media reports (and let's face it, none of us know any of the women who dated Russell Brand without reading their stories in the paper) are often subject to some level of exaggeration.

I do agree that such allegations need to be taken more seriously because it involves abuse/exploitation and there are 4 women involved (not one). they must have their day in court and their welfare taken into consideration as they are vulnerable.

But I also remember the media built up a firm case against actor Jonathon Majors and Johhny Depp as having a history of being abusers toward females which unravelled in court. the impact on Johnny Depp was minimal as he's in the twighlight of his career but for Jonathon Majors it has ended his acting career which has cost him his reputation and multimillion dollars.

Russell Brand does fit the profile but as you say let the courts follow due process and of course protect these women while they give their deposition.

If the allegations are true, Russell Brand has slept with 4000 women. I imagine he has on more than one occasion cheated and may be motivation for some women to seek retribution. But conversely men who treat women this way and have no problems attracting any number of them might eventually get bored and mistreat some of them because they take these women for granted. As I'm not a woman or a psychologist I don't know what motivates a young woman to sleep with somebody like Russell Brand (or for that matter other celebrities with known reputations for being sex addicts) but perhaps being Russel Brand is enough for many of them to let him get away with behaviour that they would not allow a normal every day dude get away with. With time they might look back all those years and realise he was being abusive. Its also really hard to have the courage to make an accusation against any man, especially a big named celebrity.

Yes, there are so-called “alleged victims” out there. In addition to those who weren’t victims, there are folks who choose not to file a report or take a case to court as well as cases in which perpetrators were deemed “not guilty” when they truly were. The court won’t necessarily provide the correct judgment on that, but we’ll see how things go. As it stands, I tend to believe those who come forward until I’m given a reason not to, perhaps all the more so in cases involving multiple victims. Either way, I will follow the case and come to my own conclusions on it. Hopefully, something approaching justice will be achieved - vindication or conviction.

I have personal experience with this topic. My ex was charged with rape but was eventually given a not guilty verdict. This happened before I met him. He was certainly guilty because the woman’s testimony was extremely consistent with my own experience of him. I won’t say more here about that unpleasant topic. If I would’ve known about the charges and read the newspaper articles, I would’ve avoided dating him in the first place or I would’ve at least been able to recognize troubling behavior for what it was before I was deeply enmeshed and extricating myself was difficult/scary/dangerous/etc. Knowledge is power. That doesn’t mean that everyone who is found not guilty is guilty, but some certainly are and some of those people still pose a threat to society.

When it comes to celebrities who commit crimes like these, I typically avoid buying or engaging with their media because I find it triggering and don’t like the idea of supporting them even in very small ways. It depends on the case, especially the evidence, situation, and whatever comes out during the trial. While I think he’s likely guilty, I will come to a firmer conclusion on that as I follow the case. My conclusion may differ from the court’s, perhaps especially considering the fact that money can be extremely advantageous.

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Of course, it takes some courage to come forward. I'm reminded how scared Brett Kavanaugh's accuser Dr Christine Blaisey Ford was in coming forward about Kavanaugh's attempted assault on her when they were in college. Blaisey-Ford is literally a clinical psychologist who works with women who survive trauma so if anyone knows how to process what happened it was her. I think its important for men to educate themselves about the psychological impact of sexual trauma.

OFF topic: I don't want to make this about me, but I have had 4 younger women (ironically same number) who have lodged HR complaints about me raising my voice at them between 2010-2024. In each case I had to go through mediation with a third party who understood the circumstance were that I was being put in a position where in 2 cases the women were cornering and badgering me, in one case I was standing up for another female employee who was being victimised (who ironically chose to not back me up) and finally one case where I hadn't had my morning coffee and I said something before my brain could process saying something self-deprecating about myself which ended up coming out wrong and resulted in the woman being offended and crying and running to HR.

In all cases I was not at fault. I came out the other side. Again my lived experience could be a sign off the times, but of course has nothing to do with the thread, but does provide a different perspective when looking at this case. Again I want to emphasise I 100% support these women's right to take legal action against Russell Brand.

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Yeah, that experience doesn’t relate to the topic of this thread.

If four women are coming forward in this case, there are likely others who are choosing not to. It’s very hard to report SA and rape which is why most people don’t. The fear of not being believed and the difficulty with going to court and stating what happened leads to silence. Some people say that the experience is like a second rape because of how humiliating and invasive it is. You can’t really compare it to anything else.

I believe them until they give me a reason not to which is my general stance when it comes to this topic. I’m glad that the case is receiving attention because women will know to be more cautious around Brand which may be a very good thing.

Brand is fervently denying the allegations
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 235310764/

But he does make some admissions about being a sex addict.