Scientists debunk themselves into a corner Volume 2

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And sometimes you have to propose uncomfortable reasons for impossible phenomena
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/ ... 896895007/

There is NOTHING impossible about someone flying drones over New Jersey. Whoever is behind it is of earthly origin, not some magical extraterrestrials.

In theory yes, in actuality, none of the smartest minds in the US have come up with valid explanation and now they are keeping quiet about it as if pretending it never happened.

And, not the first time this happened, last time it was Washington DC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Wash ... O_incident

A few interesting things that are familiar
1. Like Jersey, it's estimated thousands of people in Washington witnessed the event
2. The extremely high numbers of UFO reports in 1952 disturbed both the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) because the public lost trust their government could defend the capitol from an actual invasion
3. Gerald Haines, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. "A massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration.
4. Truman set up the Robertson Panel to investigate and in the panel's controversial estimate, both the Air Force and their Project Blue Book (set up to investigate UFOs) needed to spend less time analyzing and studying UFO reports and more time publicly debunking them (their words and why I created these posts).
5. the head of the airforce, General Ruppelt came up with a story to placate the truman administration that the incident was due to a temperature inversion. this story was completely dismissed by all of the radar operators on whose reports triggered jets to be flown to chase the objects down who clearly saw actual objects. Former radar controller Howard Cocklin told the Washington Post in 2002 that he was still convinced that he saw an object, stating that "I saw it on the [radar] screen and out the window" over Washington National Airport.


General Ruppelt himself was interviewed in 1959 and later admitted on the public record that he was wrong and there were solid objects people saw in 1952. this admission should have triggered a major investigation but it didn't because 7 years had passed and the public had largely forgotten the event, the US was in the midst of fear about the Soviets taking over space and nuclear warfare.
https://www.nicap.org/papers/ruppelt_forgotten.pdf

So far, nobody has even provided an "earthly origin" for the tic tac objects terrorising Washington in 1952 some 73 years later and no-one has provided an earthly origin for the tic tac objects following US warships in the Pacific and nobody has provided an earthy origin for the objects (let's call them drones) disturbing residents of Jersey on a few months back.

Notice I never mentioned "magical extraterrestrials" or "aliens" in any of the text I posted.

That nobody appears to have an immediate answer does not mean that the supernatural is involved.

Fair enough, let's play that line and help the residents of Jersey and Phoenix and come up with a reason rather than "we don't know what these are but don't worry they are harmless"

curiosity shouldn't require putting blinkers or boundaries for serious investigation.

No serious investigation will recognize the impossible as an explanation.

I don't know if they are harmless or not. I suspect that they are, but we don't know that. What we do know is that large number of inbound drones would be due to human activities, not magic.

the existence of advanced life in the universe is not actually impossible. What is deemed impossible is that they are capable of getting to earth, the latter is called entrenched dogma. the fermi paradox oft quoted by skeptics is actually based on the musings of a physicist in the 1950s who happened to look at the night sky and ask where are all the aliens?

Yeah the government, CIA, FBI and FAA have been down this line already but have stated they don't know who made them and why they sent them so we are back to square one.

I have never claimed that it is impossible. Quite the opposite, in fact. I would be extremely surprised if there were no other intelligent life in the universe.

Quit putting words in my mouth.

Ok so being the courteous gentleman I am, do feel free to explain what you mean here by "impossible"

Just to clarify the central thesis of this thread. It's largely in response to the advice of the Robertson panel to President truman in 1952 that attempts by the airforce to investigate UFOs via project Blue book should..."spend less time analyzing and studying UFO reports and more time publicly debunking them"


Hence why I am saying if scientists keep debunking (on autopilot) every single paranormal incident without attempting to investigate they will eventually find themselves backed into a corner, which is what has happened with UFOs.

It is absurd to imagine that scientists take their marching orders from the military in 1952.

The fact is that there is not a bit of reason to imagine that UFOs have ever been extra-terrestrial in origin. Try to play make believe that extra-terrestrials are the answer is sheer idiocy.

Don't jump to stupid conclusions just because you want simple and immediate answers.

that's why I said "if", a lot of scientists are open minded on this subject but if you go down the path of debunking the existnce of tic tacs capable of breaking the laws of physics putting your brain on autopilot then you find yourself in a corner when the government says - "yeah, actually they do exist".

Aliens from outer space have everything to do with human desires and faulty logic and nothing to do with extra-terrestrials.