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10 Oct 2007, 8:14 am

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As for where I live, that is hardly your concern. As to whether or not you think I'm special, I've lived all this time never once having worried about whether or not you like me. As for you hating everybody; knock yourself out! You have the right to sit around stewing in hatred. To me, hate is like taking poison & hoping the other person dies. You seems to be living with something much more onerous than Asperger's. I hope you seek the help you need before your obsession compels you to act in a way that gets you either arrested or carted off in a basket by men in white coats.


I feel it is. I would be satisfied with a vague answer like 'England', 'America' and I've no idea how the rest related to me - I never once mentioned race in that post.


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10 Oct 2007, 9:07 pm

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11 Oct 2007, 12:04 am

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Ok, in what way are the "races " so different? Are there other obvious differences that I'm missing that are attributed purely to the colour of a persons skin? Can black people run faster? Are white men gentler? Please, enlighten me.

Kenyans are pretty good at distance running.
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The term race refers to the concept of dividing people into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of characteristics and beliefs about common ancestry.[1] The most widely used human racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color, facial features and hair texture), and self-identification.[2]

Conceptions of race, as well as specific ways of grouping races, vary by culture and over time, and are often controversial for scientific as well as social and political reasons. The controversy ultimately revolves around whether or not races are natural types or socially constructed, and the degree to which observed differences in ability and achievement, categorized on the basis of race, are a product of inherited (i.e. genetic) traits or environmental, social and cultural factors.

Some argue that although "race" is a valid taxonomic concept in other species, it cannot be applied to humans.[3] Many scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions; thus they reject the notion that any definition of race pertaining to humans can have taxonomic rigour and validity.[4] Today most scientists study human genotypic and phenotypic variation using concepts such as "population" and "clinal gradation". Many anthropologists contend that while the features on which racial categorizations are made may be based on genetic factors, the idea of race itself, and actual divisions of persons into groups based on selected hereditary features, are social constructs

so yes, there is such a thing as race, if only a social construct and there are physiological differences. IMO its a form of racism to deny it. If there is no such thing as race, there could be no such thing as racism.



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11 Oct 2007, 12:42 am

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Living in a 95%+ white town, I haven't met many blacks or other minorities. I used to have a black neighbor who was cool though. I also had class with a black girl who just seemed like any white girl at my school (stuck up prep).


Big big differences where they feel
free to have their own community.

Having lived in a very divided city
(Buffalo), and come to Eugene, it's
pretty damned telling.

Had a couple of black roomates
from the area though, and talked
to them about racism here. And it's
still here. They thought it was actually
uglier, all hidden, rather than the open
sores that I was used to.



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11 Oct 2007, 2:10 am

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
TechnoMonk wrote:
Ok, in what way are the "races " so different? Are there other obvious differences that I'm missing that are attributed purely to the colour of a persons skin? Can black people run faster? Are white men gentler? Please, enlighten me.

Kenyans are pretty good at distance running.
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The term race refers to the concept of dividing people into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of characteristics and beliefs about common ancestry.[1] The most widely used human racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color, facial features and hair texture), and self-identification.[2]

Conceptions of race, as well as specific ways of grouping races, vary by culture and over time, and are often controversial for scientific as well as social and political reasons. The controversy ultimately revolves around whether or not races are natural types or socially constructed, and the degree to which observed differences in ability and achievement, categorized on the basis of race, are a product of inherited (i.e. genetic) traits or environmental, social and cultural factors.

Some argue that although "race" is a valid taxonomic concept in other species, it cannot be applied to humans.[3] Many scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions; thus they reject the notion that any definition of race pertaining to humans can have taxonomic rigour and validity.[4] Today most scientists study human genotypic and phenotypic variation using concepts such as "population" and "clinal gradation". Many anthropologists contend that while the features on which racial categorizations are made may be based on genetic factors, the idea of race itself, and actual divisions of persons into groups based on selected hereditary features, are social constructs

so yes, there is such a thing as race, if only a social construct and there are physiological differences. IMO its a form of racism to deny it. If there is no such thing as race, there could be no such thing as racism.


The point TechnoMonk is trying to make I think is that people from different racial backgrounds aren't predisposed to acting a certain way, a person can to some degree be influenced by the genes they've inherited but that doesn't have to do with race. TM was just combating Nambo's twisted beliefs. You're right about the physical differences though. Nambo was just giving examples of things caused by culture, not race.


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11 Oct 2007, 11:27 am

[quote="Deus_ex_machina]
The point TechnoMonk is trying to make I think is that people from different racial backgrounds aren't predisposed to acting a certain way, a person can to some degree be influenced by the genes they've inherited but that doesn't have to do with race. TM was just combating Nambo's twisted beliefs. You're right about the physical differences though. Nambo was just giving examples of things caused by culture, not race.[/quote]

"Twisted beliefs", thats a bit harsh isnt it Deus X?
What did I post that you considered to be "twisted"?
I thought my posts where positive towards people of a differant culture whilst still acknowledging there can be differences, and whats wrong with differances?

As for your point about behaviour being cultural rather than genitic, to a certain extent I agree with you, though I cannot see how that makes any differance to the point I originally said, That Black Women are more passionate than English women are in the way that Italions are said to be passionate.

When I went to Germany I comented to my German friend on how quiet and mild mannored the Black people in Germany where compared to the Black people we see from Jamaica, he told me that they are all like that in Germany, quite and well behaved.
Point being, though they are still Black, they come from a completly differant country that was part of the German Empire compared to the Afro-American that was part of the British Empire.

So yes, culture makes a differande as well.
Dont make us all exactly the same though.



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09 Jun 2011, 6:07 pm

delete

someone's post pissed me off and I had a mental implosion


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09 Jun 2011, 6:15 pm

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09 Jun 2011, 8:33 pm

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I've had this problem for a long time, but I have noticed this more when I deliver pizzas. It seems that a lot of African American women have bad attitudes twoards others. I've had several snap at me because I was a few minutes late with the order. This was never a problem with caucasian women. Sometimes I wonder if it's because I'm white. Has anyone had this problem? Why do African American women have bad attitudes twoards society?


How many African American persons have you dealt with that you can come up with such sweeping generalizations?

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09 Jun 2011, 9:40 pm

There are rewards in life for being aggressive. I am always very patient with service workers or strangers and usually it just means just being ignored so they can instead spend their energy and attention placating the people they are afraid of.

I remember reading about how black students have trouble with white teachers because they are too subtle. At home if they do something wrong someone will yell at them, but in school they have this milquetoast teacher who'll gently say "maybe you should do this instead of that..." so then the black student does not understand they did anything wrong until the bad grades come along.

On the flip side, whats with the stereotypical white person's attitude anyway? White people never want to talk to each other or express feelings, instead they just post on internet forums about "how do I tell this person I am upset with them?" (I always feel like saying "morse code, smoke signals, just make sure you don't use words..") It seems like they often act like the world is going to explode or they'll become a complete pariah if they ever bother to stand up for themselves or say what they really think. If someone chides you it's not the end of the world, just get over it. Often times the whole plot of a tv-show or movie revolves around white people who just won't frickin' talk to each other.

Anyway, different people are used to different levels of aggressiveness, ideally one should go for balance of course. Yeah, black women often seem too aggressive, but white women often seem rather pathetic.

In the case of you delivering the pizza late... obviously she snapped at you because the pizza was late. Maybe she felt like it was only late because she's black. She probably felt like if she didn't complain she would be implicity be telling you that it's okay to be late.