Is AS nothing more than low self esteem?

Page 2 of 3 [ 43 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

nicurn
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 14 Oct 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 64

19 Dec 2007, 10:56 pm

gbollard wrote:
Anyone know of an extroverted aspie?


Yes, although he's only six. My son loves to be social, and at this point his desire outweighs his social awkwardness in friend-making abilities. He is also very creative, so his friends tend not to mind that he is creating and controlling the games they play. Oddly, none of them seem to mind when he tires of companionship and leaves off playing in the middle, either.

I'm really happy for my happy-go-lucky Aspie.



zen_mistress
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,033

20 Dec 2007, 5:13 am

gbollard wrote:
Anyone know of an extroverted aspie?


Yes. I have met 3 in the last 6 months through the AS channels here...


_________________
"Caravan is the name of my history, and my life an extraordinary adventure."
~ Amin Maalouf

Taking a break.


gbollard
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Oct 2007
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,009
Location: Sydney, Australia

20 Dec 2007, 5:46 am

I said...

Quote:
Of course, low self esteem can lead introverts to be even more introverted but again, introversion and aspies aren't necessarily entwined.

Anyone know of an extroverted aspie?


And guess what... a few people said yes...

How many extroverts have low self esteem?

I rest my case - Aspergers is NOT just Low Self esteem masquerading as something else...



merrymadscientist
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Female
Posts: 533
Location: UK

20 Dec 2007, 6:03 am

As said here before, low self esteem is a result not a cause of AS. However, it is something that makes you feel unhappy and therapy that improves self esteem can improve happiness. You will still have other AS symptoms, but with self-esteem these wont bother you so much, so it may feel as though you are becoming more NT. I have low self-esteem generally but some days can be very extrovert (especially with alcohol) and tend to wear extrovert clothes (I love my purple cords) and have moments when I feel as though I am better than everyone else, which fluctuate with my feeling as though I am a wierdo and not worth anything the rest of the time.



zen_mistress
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,033

20 Dec 2007, 9:56 am

gbollard wrote:
I said...

Quote:
Of course, low self esteem can lead introverts to be even more introverted but again, introversion and aspies aren't necessarily entwined.

Anyone know of an extroverted aspie?


And guess what... a few people said yes...

How many extroverts have low self esteem?

I rest my case - Aspergers is NOT just Low Self esteem masquerading as something else...


I think there are a lot of Extroverts with low self esteem. Having a compulsion to speak and express does not necessarily mean a person likes themself.

I think self esteem is more related to the confidence to be yourself, and both aspies and NTs can feel this but its not a given in life. Life tends to take away self esteem if you dont work on it.


_________________
"Caravan is the name of my history, and my life an extraordinary adventure."
~ Amin Maalouf

Taking a break.


crazyllama
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 163

20 Dec 2007, 11:29 am

Some of the people I've met who have the biggest problems in life are the biggest socializing extroverts you'll ever meet.

You can have high self esteem and still be who we are. You just have to deal with the fact that NT's will always think you are crazy and that you need psychological 'help' because we're not cut from the same cloth as them.



logitechdog
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Nov 2006
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 973
Location: Uk - Thornaby

20 Dec 2007, 3:33 pm

Agrees with crazy , if people with physical problems, that I don't really see as a problem, just means they go at it different, listen to people who say they can't do this, hell allot of inventions for wheel chair people are out there now, they can water ski if they want or ski on snow... But the fact they need protection by law just to get basic human wrights to stick in a ramp or something like that

You would not tell them to get out of the chair & carry it up the stairs, or use one of them grabbing arms to reach a high book shelf. I find mental health has less protection than physical...



anbuend
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Jul 2004
Age: 43
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,039

20 Dec 2007, 4:24 pm

It can't be nothing more than that. Because otherwise autistic people with normal or high self-esteem wouldn't exist.


_________________
"In my world it's a place of patterns and feel. In my world it's a haven for what is real. It's my world, nobody can steal it, but people like me, we live in the shadows." -Donna Williams


busy91
Supporting Member
Supporting Member

User avatar

Joined: 3 Dec 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 395
Location: NYC

20 Dec 2007, 4:26 pm

anbuend wrote:
It can't be nothing more than that. Because otherwise autistic people with normal or high self-esteem wouldn't exist.


I don't agree. My self esteem is not low. I'm an introvert and I don't like socializing, but I don't like to socialize because I don't care for people. But I think I'm hot stuff.



pandd
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jul 2006
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,430

21 Dec 2007, 3:10 am

JWRed wrote:
I am seeing a new psychologist. She has me already feeling better about myself. It makes me wonder if having AS is nothing more than really low self esteem. Maybe low self esteem is a significant contributor to AS.

No. I distinctly recall my sense of self-satisfaction in early toddler-hood. I held myself in very high esteem.

I have good self-esteem, even though I have experienced times of poor self esteem in the past. My issues with social communication, theory of mind, motor clumsiness, sensory integration, stimming, alone-time needs, and preoccupations are not effected by changes in my self-esteem.



anbuend
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Jul 2004
Age: 43
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,039

21 Dec 2007, 3:25 am

busy91 wrote:
anbuend wrote:
It can't be nothing more than that. Because otherwise autistic people with normal or high self-esteem wouldn't exist.


I don't agree. My self esteem is not low. I'm an introvert and I don't like socializing, but I don't like to socialize because I don't care for people. But I think I'm hot stuff.


Yeah, that's what I mean. If being autistic were just low self-esteem, then people like you or me wouldn't exist. And we do, so autism's more than just low self-esteem.


_________________
"In my world it's a place of patterns and feel. In my world it's a haven for what is real. It's my world, nobody can steal it, but people like me, we live in the shadows." -Donna Williams


logitechdog
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Nov 2006
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 973
Location: Uk - Thornaby

ghostgurl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Nov 2006
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,328
Location: Orange County, CA

21 Dec 2007, 4:28 am

Certainly not. I don't consider myself to have low-self esteem, but a lot of people with AS do have low-self esteem probably more as a result of depression.


_________________
Currently Reading: Survival by Juliet E. Czerneda
http://dazed-girl.livejournal.com/
Vote Kalister 2008