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04 Feb 2008, 10:09 pm
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05 Feb 2008, 5:20 pm
Snake, cloaking your hatred in words of tolerance, and making a false dichotomy between what's in the best Jewish interests and the view know as Zionism isn't working. Maybe try another strategy, eh? Oh, and keep spelling Israel "Israel"; it really helps people know where you're coming from. 
05 Feb 2008, 7:03 pm
I have a theocrat telling me about tolerance?
05 Feb 2008, 7:28 pm
I have a theocrat telling me about tolerance?
Attacking the man rather than the point... weren't you earlier in this very topic railing against people doing it to you?
05 Feb 2008, 8:43 pm
No, I was pointing out his hypocracy (damn some people need everything spelled out for them). I never said I hate all jews, people are just overly emotional sympering wuss bags who can't handle a non-mainstream, non-corn-fed point of view. So it's easier for them to label me as something like "racist" than to acknowledge there may actually be OTHER reasons to disagree.
Zionism isn't a jewish thing, judaism acts as a cover for it, that's all. Judaism is being **used**, as a cover, to block any criticisms with accusations of anti-semetism. Religious freaks from the right will defend it because "jews are gods chosen people", so by critically analyzing something **percieved** to be a jewish thing, they will take it as an attack on christianity also (which is absurd). PC fanatics from the left will rally screaming racism.
**Some** jewish people might have a part in it, but just because I say some of them might be doing something bad, does not mean I am attacking all of them. Some white christians are in it too, really it's far bigger than some ret*d high school-esque political/religious label can show you.
I mean, oh my god, I had better not condemn Saddam Hussein, he was an arab after all, so if I say anything critical about him I must be attacking arabs 
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06 Feb 2008, 10:58 am
Zionism isn't a jewish thing, judaism acts as a cover for it, that's all. Judaism is being **used**, as a cover, to block any criticisms with accusations of anti-semetism. Religious freaks from the right will defend it because "jews are gods chosen people", so by critically analyzing something **percieved** to be a jewish thing, they will take it as an attack on christianity also (which is absurd). PC fanatics from the left will rally screaming racism.
**Some** jewish people might have a part in it, but just because I say some of them might be doing something bad, does not mean I am attacking all of them. Some white christians are in it too, really it's far bigger than some ret*d high school-esque political/religious label can show you.
I mean, oh my god, I had better not condemn Saddam Hussein, he was an arab after all, so if I say anything critical about him I must be attacking arabs
Zionism is the belief that Israel should exist as a homeland for the Jews. It is nothing less or more than that. It's equivalent to saying that England should exist as a homeland for the British. Hardly an inflammatory view. Zionism couldn't be much more simple, logical, or well-reasoned than it already is. It is not at all overdramatic to say that the Jews have been attacked all over the world for centuries. So, Zionism says: Let them exist somewhere! Allow them to survive on their own small piece of land, the very one which contains their archeological history streching back millenia. It's asking so little, that even the UN obliged.
06 Feb 2008, 12:02 pm
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06 Feb 2008, 2:18 pm
This I am sure we agree on in principle, though we'll disagree on what exactly God said, and who God is, and whether or not He exists.
Yes, quite right. I don't think legal claims should be validated by visions or allegations of divine revelation. That would really give people an incentive to make absurd claims about God.
True. The concept of God is an easy and tempting thing for powermongers to abuse. Doesn't mean He's not real and His will is not valid, but just that the lies people tell about Him can be both very powerful and very destructive. It's sad how much this has occurred.
