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02 Feb 2008, 11:33 pm

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See, in the world of the conspiracy theorists, a road - albiet a big one - is the same thing as combining three nations into one.


It's more than a road. I think part of it includes removing the border between the US and Mexico and allowing all Mexicans to travel and move to the US just like citizens in EU countries are allowed to move to member countries. Also, I think the dollar, peso, and lunie will be replaced with the amero.


Don't think that's likely to happen. Is that document you mentioned describing this still posted on whitehouse.gov?



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02 Feb 2008, 11:34 pm

It doesn't take a genius to see that the dollar is collapsing.



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03 Feb 2008, 2:01 pm

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See, in the world of the conspiracy theorists, a road - albiet a big one - is the same thing as combining three nations into one.


It's more than a road. I think part of it includes removing the border between the US and Mexico and allowing all Mexicans to travel and move to the US just like citizens in EU countries are allowed to move to member countries. Also, I think the dollar, peso, and lunie will be replaced with the amero.


Don't think that's likely to happen. Is that document you mentioned describing this still posted on whitehouse.gov?


I think they removed it. They posted a link to it after they were accused of meeting in secret but now that they dodged that allegation, it looks like they removed it.

This is closest thing I could find about it on the White House website.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 323-1.html

Here's the original story about the North American Union reported on CNN:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U[/youtube]

Senator Ron Paul talks about the North American Union reported on CNN including a 12 lane international highway being planned to run from Canada to Mexico:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccxQRaLIOM&NR=1[/youtube]



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03 Feb 2008, 2:30 pm

zendell wrote:
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See, in the world of the conspiracy theorists, a road - albiet a big one - is the same thing as combining three nations into one.


It's more than a road. I think part of it includes removing the border between the US and Mexico and allowing all Mexicans to travel and move to the US just like citizens in EU countries are allowed to move to member countries. Also, I think the dollar, peso, and lunie will be replaced with the amero.


Don't think that's likely to happen. Is that document you mentioned describing this still posted on whitehouse.gov?


I think they removed it. They posted a link to it after they were accused of meeting in secret but now that they dodged that allegation, it looks like they removed it.

This is closest thing I could find about it on the White House website.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 323-1.html

Here's the original story about the North American Union reported on CNN:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U[/youtube]

Senator Ron Paul talks about the North American Union reported on CNN including a 12 lane international highway being planned to run from Canada to Mexico:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccxQRaLIOM&NR=1[/youtube]


Proving something only works if the person your proving it to is willing to accept proof. McJeff isn't really willing to accept proof, his mind is already made up before looking into the facts. If people wanna believe in something badly enough, they will not accept proof to the contrary.



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03 Feb 2008, 4:52 pm

I think its sad the way we are now hurling towards the New World Order yet people still refuse to see it so they let it take place.
The scripture, "they had eyes but they could not see comes to mind"

Heres this weeks latest developments towards the New World Order dictatorship, the Lisburn treaty, that did go through on a 3 line whip, a 3 line whip means the member of parliament has to vote the way their party tell them too, or they get the sack like George Galloway.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x71INuYQnTk

[youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x71INuYQnTk[/youtube]

And I had to read this from the New Zealand Herald about how our Prime Minister is giving away our countries to the dictatorship of the United Nations, or as the Bible calls it, the Scarlet Coloured Wild Beast.
Web Page Name

But I suppose crazy conspiracy theorists just made it all up and British Parliament didnt spend the greater part of last week discussing the Lisburn Treaty and Gordon Browns in Asia for his holidays.

As for whos beind it all, I dare not say as Ive allready been warned, so instead I will blame everybody else, knowing I wont get any hate mail or threats or upset anybody because as Iam sure you know from your own human experience, only the guilty get really upset at being accussed.

So, its Evil Arab. Muslim terrorists behind all this, helped by Blacks, and Nazis, and the Irish, and Poles, you can see how they are spreading West, soon they will be controlling the media and the world banks. And Palestinians, terrorists the lot of them.



Hey, my mistake, I said Nazis, no, dont want to be accussed of anti nazi-ism, and Iam sure its a big lie that Bush's Grandfather financed Rothchilds illigitimate son Hitler.

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04 Feb 2008, 12:58 am

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04 Feb 2008, 1:07 am

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Proving something only works if the person your proving it to is willing to accept proof. McJeff isn't really willing to accept proof, his mind is already made up before looking into the facts. If people wanna believe in something badly enough, they will not accept proof to the contrary.


Let's stop accusing me of being the one that's close minded. I'm not the one who believes unquestioningly in everything that says "New World Order" and discards all the contrary evidence as government lies and propaganda.

Do I trust the government? Hell no. Do I think the government wants to reduce us to a nanny state? Yes. But I don't believe there's anything to this New World Order stupidity.

So when they claim that the three countries are planing to merge and make a new currency called the Amero, I ask, why do they say that? Who said it? What was his source?

As previously mentioned, you unquestioningly believe anything that could possibly relate to the alleged New World Order advancing agenda. The only New World Order I believe in is the one from WCW, not this Trans-America Zioluminati stuff.

For that matter, though I might not trust the government, I trust it more than the media. Remember Jamilgate? Remember when Zombietime exposed the Associated Press for lying through their ass in their Israel/Lebanon war coverage? Remember Rathergate? How is it that you trust CNN? They were the ones responsible for it.



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04 Feb 2008, 9:44 am

Okay, I just read the entire thread to this point. Now, admittedly, I have sometimes responded to the illuminati conspiracists on WT, too. However, I actually see no real need to do so.

Those who believe in the illuminati conspiracy will, likely, continue to believe it. Criticisms can be taken as evidence of involvement or support.

From personal experience, when I have strongly challenged the illuminati conspiracy, and have said that my ethnic background is Jewish, I have often been accused of being a member of the illuminati myself. Criticizing a conspiracy, especially by a person who is believed to be a member of a group implicated in it (Jews in this case), is just fodder for the "true believer."

Although I sometimes respond, as I am doing now, I generally feel that the best approach is to simply let the postings by the illuminati conspiracists stand on their own. Most people recognize the silliness of these postings anyway.


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04 Feb 2008, 12:15 pm

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Okay, I just read the entire thread to this point. Now, admittedly, I have sometimes responded to the illuminati conspiracists on WT, too. However, I actually see no real need to do so.

Those who believe in the illuminati conspiracy will, likely, continue to believe it. Criticisms can be taken as evidence of involvement or support.

From personal experience, when I have strongly challenged the illuminati conspiracy, and have said that my ethnic background is Jewish, I have often been accused of being a member of the illuminati myself. Criticizing a conspiracy, especially by a person who is believed to be a member of a group implicated in it (Jews in this case), is just fodder for the "true believer."

Although I sometimes respond, as I am doing now, I generally feel that the best approach is to simply let the postings by the illuminati conspiracists stand on their own. Most people recognize the silliness of these postings anyway.


This coming from someone who openly supports globalism. I never accused you of being consciously involved in this conspiracy, but if your supporting globalism your unconsciously supporting it. That has nothing to do with you being jewish.



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04 Feb 2008, 12:22 pm

Mc_Jeff wrote:
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Proving something only works if the person your proving it to is willing to accept proof. McJeff isn't really willing to accept proof, his mind is already made up before looking into the facts. If people wanna believe in something badly enough, they will not accept proof to the contrary.


Let's stop accusing me of being the one that's close minded. I'm not the one who believes unquestioningly in everything that says "New World Order" and discards all the contrary evidence as government lies and propaganda.

Do I trust the government? Hell no. Do I think the government wants to reduce us to a nanny state? Yes. But I don't believe there's anything to this New World Order stupidity.

So when they claim that the three countries are planing to merge and make a new currency called the Amero, I ask, why do they say that? Who said it? What was his source?

As previously mentioned, you unquestioningly believe anything that could possibly relate to the alleged New World Order advancing agenda. The only New World Order I believe in is the one from WCW, not this Trans-America Zioluminati stuff.

For that matter, though I might not trust the government, I trust it more than the media. Remember Jamilgate? Remember when Zombietime exposed the Associated Press for lying through their ass in their Israel/Lebanon war coverage? Remember Rathergate? How is it that you trust CNN? They were the ones responsible for it.


Democratic voters say they want an end to the Patriot Act, an end to the war in Iraq. Yet, their leaders vote FOR the patriot act and the war, and sign off on it, while playing lip service to their voters.
Republican voters want to protect our gun right and our borders, yet their leaders vote FOR open borders and against gun rights, while playing lip service to their voters (with the exception of Ron Paul of coarse).
In fact, republican and democratic leaders are signing off on the same police state policies, open borders, anti-gun rights, continuation of this war, and continuation of the Patriot Act. Truth is both parties are bought and paid for, so are the medias. The border crisis and the war will plunge us into poverty..... Do not pretend we are living in an economically prosperous period in time. Gas prices are soaring, and many citizens can not even afford to see a doctor (which should be a right, for everyone, hell even for illegals although I do not think they should get free health care while citizens are being denied medical coverage because they can't afford it).



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04 Feb 2008, 1:25 pm

Yes, there is no doubt that Zionists have some influence over foreign policy, but at the same time if Israel did not recieve support, it would be torn to shreds by its enemies.
I have no reason to believe that the Zionist conspiracies are dangerous in nature. They just support a Jewish state. Can't say that they can be blamed for funding and pushing for support. I'm not going to link Zionism with the Illuminati, but at the same time, there are Zionists in their circles.


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04 Feb 2008, 2:09 pm

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Democratic voters say they want an end to the Patriot Act, an end to the war in Iraq. Yet, their leaders vote FOR the patriot act and the war, and sign off on it, while playing lip service to their voters.


Remember that topic I made about Barbara Mikulski being better than Shrillery Rotten? She voted against the Patriot Act.

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Republican voters want to protect our gun right and our borders, yet their leaders vote FOR open borders and against gun rights, while playing lip service to their voters (with the exception of Ron Paul of coarse).


Yet, the Clinton-era assault weapons ban expired and was not reknewed.

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Do not pretend we are living in an economically prosperous period in time. Gas prices are soaring, and many citizens can not even afford to see a doctor (which should be a right, for everyone, hell even for illegals although I do not think they should get free health care while citizens are being denied medical coverage because they can't afford it).


I don't want to get into the health care debate. But believe you me, I'm very conscious of the fact that at the last job I worked, I would have spent more money paying for gasoline than I'd have made at work.

Did you know that while they adjust the minimum wage for inflation, they don't bother taking gasoline and groceries into account? That's why the minimum wage is only $6.50 or whatever instead of the $11 it should be.



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04 Feb 2008, 3:35 pm

Nambo wrote:
I think its sad the way we are now hurling towards the New World Order yet people still refuse to see it so they let it take place.
The scripture, "they had eyes but they could not see comes to mind"

Heres this weeks latest developments towards the New World Order dictatorship, the Lisburn treaty, that did go through on a 3 line whip, a 3 line whip means the member of parliament has to vote the way their party tell them too, or they get the sack like George Galloway.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x71INuYQnTk

[youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x71INuYQnTk[/youtube]

And I had to read this from the New Zealand Herald about how our Prime Minister is giving away our countries to the dictatorship of the United Nations, or as the Bible calls it, the Scarlet Coloured Wild Beast.
Web Page Name

But I suppose crazy conspiracy theorists just made it all up and British Parliament didnt spend the greater part of last week discussing the Lisburn Treaty and Gordon Browns in Asia for his holidays.

As for whos beind it all, I dare not say as Ive allready been warned, so instead I will blame everybody else, knowing I wont get any hate mail or threats or upset anybody because as Iam sure you know from your own human experience, only the guilty get really upset at being accussed.

So, its Evil Arab. Muslim terrorists behind all this, helped by Blacks, and Nazis, and the Irish, and Poles, you can see how they are spreading West, soon they will be controlling the media and the world banks. And Palestinians, terrorists the lot of them.



Hey, my mistake, I said Nazis, no, dont want to be accussed of anti nazi-ism, and Iam sure its a big lie that Bush's Grandfather financed Rothchilds illigitimate son Hitler.

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Take your lithium and go back to Infowars.



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04 Feb 2008, 7:11 pm

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This coming from someone who openly supports globalism. I never accused you of being consciously involved in this conspiracy, but if your supporting globalism your unconsciously supporting it. That has nothing to do with you being jewish.


Most of the recent accusations have come on Paltalk. I don't recall receiving any on WP. However, you are the first person here to say that I am "unconsciously supporting it."

The fact, regrettable in my view, that "globalism" has been vilified by proponents of illuminati conspiracy ideas is of no consequence to me. I support political unification and socialist globalization, not global capitalism and the corporatocracy.


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04 Feb 2008, 7:21 pm

As I have said before, it is not the principle of a world government that is the problem, but the plans of the undeserving and sinister powers that be.
Power is concentrated in the hands of those who would seek to oppress and control the masses. Under history's current path, the one world government will be an enemy worse than any "terrorists".


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04 Feb 2008, 7:33 pm

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As I have said before, it is not the principle of a world government that is the problem, but the plans of the undeserving and sinister powers that be.


But that is conspiratorial thinking, not critical thinking. Supporting socialist globalization is not equivalent to supporting capitalist globalization. Supporting global democratization is not the same as supporting global authoritarianism. Each of these are distinct analytical categories. The illuminati conspiracists simply introduce an additional, "bogeyman" category, into the proposition, a category which I reject.


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