Democrats and liberals: Why are you not more liberal?

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strange how when people joined unions and faught for a lviing wgae things improved and government hasn't yet to lift people out of poverty, just keeps them passified enough not to revolt and join unions

unions are basically paid protection and force labor costs above market value.

i'd figure you'd be against unions since you're conservative.

edit: also, if you saw how the los angeles teaching union is run, you'd see the other reason why it's so bad: it's impossible to fire people who are bad workers because they're protected by the union.

I'm a non-Marxist socialist and I vote Democrat because they are by far the lesser evil, I'd rather have a government of centrists then a government of quasi-fascists and religious crazies. I don't associate with any socialist minor political party because they are predominantly Marxist. The Greens are too anti-technology for me to stomach. Anarchists, though I have some sympathy towards them (especially mutualist anarchists and geo-libertarians), are, in the end, utopian fools.

I think government unions should be against the law considering the workers have a monopoly for their services and the government should have to compete against private industry for labor and be real with wages and working conditions.

Private industry unions are nothing more than groups of people pooling their money to hire an agent to represent them and if they get to greedy they will put their employer out of business. So there is a system of checks & balances and no employer has some right to exploit labor to their hearts content without any fear of them grouping together to revolt against the pay & working conditions.

Unions in private industry can't protect the workers because at some point the company will fail if it collects too many slugs. WE THE PEOPLE should control the country, not the CORPORATIONS which are given a permit to exsist by the PEOPLE in form of a business license of some type.

You assumed because I bashed dems i was some total neocon type, but reality is todays dems are nanny state thugs worse than the corporate thugs, at least I can get in on the corporate stealing it's open to everyone who can save up the capitol to get in on the action. The government theft is resticted to people with inside connections and I don't have one.

Neither party represents the working man in private industry and we can't all work for the government, that system has been tried and has failed. France is a example of unions getting too much power, so there needs to be checks & balances, boss gets too greedy and people join unions, the unions get too greedy and new companies start up and undercut them putting an end to the greed of labor. The workers in the country have to be smart enough to keep industries union enough to influance wages, but not get carried away and ruin their deal by creating excessive demands and unionising a whole industry to the point they have everyone else by the balls and think they can demand too much.

which is why i'm voting libertarian. they'll get government out of the way and cut down the government by a lot. you'd actually see lower taxes. private industry wouldn't be suckled on the government teat nor would they be crushed by unfair/overly restrictive laws.

Why doesn't Libertarianism ever catch on with a significant amount of the American people?
(And you can't say because the American people are stupid. That kind of elitist BS will not fly, my friend.)

Why not call them stupid? Why won't it fly? There is research by economist Bryan Caplan on the opinions of Americans showing that Americans are stupid in a way that would prevent them from being libertarians. He put this into a book called "The Myth of the Rational Voter". The book also notes some inherent dispositions that bias our views of the world.

However, to strike upon another reason, there is also reason to believe that within our psychology, there is a deep-seated group seeking tendency. There is a paper out by Daniel Klein about this called "The People's Romance". http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_10_1_1_klein.pdf

Last edited by Awesomelyglorious on 17 Apr 2008, 2:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

people go "how will we do without the department of education" or "how will we get to regulate all of these things we fear if the federal government won't step in" or "how will we take care of ourselves if the federal government won't send in FEMA to help us"


it's all stuff that can easily be taken care of on the state level for the most part but rarely ever is. people are so used to dumping everything on the federal government and their agenda instead of keeping it local. same thing with a lot of those pork projects...they're special little local projects using federal money.

because the media doesn't tell them to vote libertarian